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I either need a life, or I need to go back to work lol! Anyway, here's the rest of today's accomplishments
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/7f1d14be.jpg These are the four pieces that make up the cowl http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/5ea7f5b0.jpg They fit quite well http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/be0d5644.jpg Three pieces become one http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/afe5eb83.jpg Here it's all fitted together and tacked together, just a couple of tweaks needed http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/9d1ee9ab.jpg I think it's pretty http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/19877c76.jpg Here's the finish solder http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/90283f54.jpg It took close to 2 hours to get it filed and smoothed this clean, and there's a touch more to do http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/cd3249c0.jpg Here it's fitted back to the cab, the fits quite good http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/d694511f.jpg Sitting on the frame with the roof in place. However, I realized one of my fears, the roof took on a twist from the heat. I should have added my inner structure before I finish soldered it, impatience wins everytime. In the end though it should be good. Hope I'm doing a decent job of representing a Pete at this stage. |
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I think it looks great. Your well on your way to having a pete! Keep up the great work!
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That's some seriously good brass work there. I think you are doing a great job and I admire your patience and skill. Good on ya!
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Looks like a Pete so far!!
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Great job! And if going back to work is going to slow you down on this project I say stay at home..I cant wait to see more!
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Thank you everyone for the kind words. I was afraid it was looking generic.
So today I started on the hood. I have much more to do to the cab, but I want a small change of pace for a bit http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/3f286f26.jpg This is the top panel, cut slightly larger then needed http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/d329b3b0.jpg Really it doesn't look much different other then a slight curve added http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/c2514ab6.jpg These are my curved extensions to reach down to the side panel, this also shows the break I use aswell http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/f65be7c0.jpg This makes the last pic make alittle more sense http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/40009f77.jpg The needed " I started to solder it" pic lmao http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/907cb001.jpg And here I've lined it up to the cab, it looks kind of silly yet, but in the end it should look just right. Some of you may have noticed I've strayed from the 367 models hood design. I made a fiberglass hood for it, but I just didn't like the look, this hood design is based on a 389 model, but could I get some one to give me the overall height measurements front and rear of the hood. A standard kh hoods dimensions are fine. It would be extremely helpful, thanks in advance Tim |
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I thought I'd add the picture of my original fiberglass hood, it's just the rough form, and I'll keep it around for a future project.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/79d8fcfa.jpg Does anyone think it looks dis-proportionate, I think it does |
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You make this look like a blast to do and you do it very well! I've got to get some brass and practice soldering. Do you sand your tacks and joints or use heat to smooth them out?
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Thank you for the compliment Truckmaker. It really is a blast working with brass. All I can say is try it! I'm sure it will hook you. As for smoothing tacks and joints, I use many methods. I use heat to smooth as well as a stick for lead. For the most part though I scrap and file and sand. It's slower, but using heat on larger joints will work against you, too much heat and your parts start to float out of alignment. It sucks when it happens, and can quickly turn you from working with brass.
And now....... Today's progress http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/1e497f0e.jpg This is the cardstock side I cut, and scribed onto my brass sheet http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/761dfc94.jpg I didn't cut the brass near as high as my cardstock cut out because it seemed to high to me. I also added 1/8 or 3mm to the top and bent it http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/080817c4.jpg If you look closely at the seam, you'll see the bend at the top, this bend will keep it true to the top, and keep the warping to a minimum http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/01820a6f.jpg I failed to take a picture of the grill reinforcement as I was doing it, it's sitting in the middle http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/b8d72de3.jpg Here's how I installed both sides, a couple clips and work fast http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/6b42e9c3.jpg And here's the almost finished product http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/ceea1c8a.jpg From the back http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/9e0bd515.jpg I decided I should mock it up a bit to see if my proportions are correct http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/bc0b35f9.jpg I'm really happy with the look http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/c439e946.jpg And I thought I'd put a stack there to get a feel for the progress http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/ca892691.jpg I'm liking the look Next up are the fenders, and the rear reinforcement, then the hood hinges. I'd like to put the old style 3 piece steel wheels on this truck to give it an old school feel, does anyone know if anyones making such a wheel? I hope you enjoy Tim |
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Wow this is really coming along! You sure are a brass master! keep up the amazing work
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A brass master.......
I'm not so sure, but thank you for the compliment As for polished versus painted I'm still tossing that idea around. If I could get larger sheets of brass, I wouldn't second guess it, polish it all the way. However I'm using 4x10 sheets which is causing more joints. But we shall see. I didnt get as much done today as I'd hoped, I had to clean shop a bit(I could find $:&@) however I did get a start on the fenders http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/ace2af54.jpg This was the first form I made. My hope was to be able to form both sides at the same time http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/1252788a.jpg However, if you look closely, it doesn't follow a consistent curve, it's to flat at the front http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/7a5844c4.jpg So I built a new one, but I decided to only build one side, and work one side at a time http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/0b503a74.jpg So I cut a fender blank, and soldered it to my form http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/d0f780a1.jpg I then began hammering it around using my trusty dollar store brass hammer That's right, I got it at the dollar store, and I use it almost exclusively, and I have purpose built hammers in my tool box! Unfortunately that's as far as I got. All my hammering woke the baby and angered mommy, so I had to stop. I'll be back at it in the morning, I'm going to start by heat shrinking the edge to form a nicer curve. Thanks for looking. If there's another way to form this fender, I'm open to ideas Tim |
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This truck seems to just fall together lately.
I was able to finish one fender about 85% today. I used two methods of shrinking and I'll explain them with the respected pictures http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/433ede35.jpg On the outside edge I heat shrank the edge using my torch. I didn't do it all the way around the way as I didn't want to have the heat ruin the rest of the fender http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/1db7c08b.jpg But after some hammering, it left a fairly wave free roll. It's not perfect, and I can still work it a little, but the brass being thin to begin with, and my introduction of heat, I decided to leave this side alone at this point http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/e787ce5d.jpg So I got ready for the other side http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/605ef800.jpg Now because this side meets the spacer on the inside, I cold shrunk the edge by twisting the edge with very fine needle nose pliers, then gently hammer the fold together. It's not the quickest way, and leaves a dirty edge unless you spend hours dollying it till its perfect, but it will work on the inside where I'm soldering anyway http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/7d8d6add.jpg So like I said, I went about 85% finished, but the end result looks decent http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/3ab02483.jpg I need to build the spacer yet so the fenders will sit square http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/0547e239.jpg But even without them it makes the truck look more complete Now the fender is supposed to have a low crown (curve) in it, and I have not yet put one on, but I think it looks cool just flat like this. What do you guys think? Tim |
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Hey Tim, have you considered a scale sized "English Wheel" for smoothing the formed part's? As for reference material, Ultimate Sheet Metal Fabrication by Timothy Remus,
Advanced Sheet Metal fabrication by Timothy Remus. Link to picture's of various english wheel model's and wheel's, http://www.google.com/search?q=engli...w=1024&bih=603 Look's great so far. Do you have to anneal the brass when working it? Cheer's, Neil. |
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Very nice
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Those are both amazing references doodlebug. I own the advanced book and taken two work shops with Ron Covell, but really hadn't considered a scale sized wheel. I had considered using the bench mount one I have at work, but ultimately decided it was just to large to do such a fine job. Do you know of anyone making a ready made scale wheel, I'd be very interested to see one
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Hey Timmy, I don't know of a scale wheel for sale. But it is something else for machine shop friend's to consider building for sale. Glad you have the book's!
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Youve come along way in a short time! very impressive...... I think I better stick with Styrene though...... I'd have a big glob of lead by this point........
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Steve, You the man! Can't to see what you come up with.
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A scale English wheel would be fantastic Steve! Have you got a picture of even the drawings for it? I'd love to see them if you do!
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I hope the holidays found everyone well.
I have been working on the truck, but I see no sense posting pictures of building the other fender lol. It's pretty much the same side to side. I'll be building my spacers next and I'll post how that goes. I did find some pictures though of the trucks I originally took my measurements from. http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/31d7edf8.jpg This truck was originally why this thread was called Pete 367 in brass. This was the truck I was modeling from as it was in our shop for this paint job http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/a65a4b89.jpg And this truck is closer to what I'm modeling right now. Tim |
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I would be interested in a scale english wheel too, I never considered one before, I have a lathe, wonder if I could make one... Hmm, prolly better to just get IHbuilder to make me one lol. Anyways, back to the thread, the trucks looking great! I wish I had metal skills!
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Thank you civic83, working metal really isn't that hard!
Here's a small update http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/a3f0f3cc.jpg I had to add the bend to bottom of the hood http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/3a020e47.jpg And I think it adds another dimension to the hood http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/1df84358.jpg I had to add a support the back of the hood panels, and hold them out to meet the cowl, so I bent up a solid rod support http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/a23ebb1a.jpg It fit quite well http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/3c3092ad.jpg And it holds the shape perfect http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/4d47a728.jpg I then added some fill solder to my fender to make it smooth for the fender spacer http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/f516a962.jpg This is the hood spacer and fender, almost ready for assembly Happy new year everyone!! Tim |
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looking good Tim , I actually would prefer working metal as to styrene . My 1st (IH 9370 ) was to be in brass :( when I looked at the price difference , at the time , styrene won : I'm lookin fwd to hammering out the new hood for the wedico pet I got :) .
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Ahhhh, the styrene vs. metal question. Quite honestly I like both. They both have there pros and cons. I like styrene for it's ability to build it up with out disturbing the surrounding materials. It can be hard to do that with brass in particular, just because of the tendancy for things to float when heated. However, I hate waiting for glue to dry, solder cools rather quickly.
So here's the next installment http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/fb694d84.jpg Here the spacers been added to the fender http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/a6937982.jpg This is what it looks like on the inside http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/2fdc7dda.jpg Both fenders ready to be installed on the center http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/18d7333c.jpg And here's one of the fenders completely soldered to the center section http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/fe1d1b64.jpg Both fenders installed http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/562cf8e2.jpg It fits really nice http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/fd224fb9.jpg And here's some more mock up pics to see the progress http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/ba185e7a.jpg http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/11db3199.jpg So what do you guys think? Tim |
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Unfortunately I haven't had much chance to work the last couple days, but I do have a small update
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/f75d2063.jpg I finished triming the door openings http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/9b290095.jpg I then cut a piece of aluminized tin to replicate the aluminum door sill http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/e0b4c013.jpg And bent it to match my opening Next up will be the doors and hinges I hope you guys are enjoying watching this build as much as I am enjoying the build of it Tim |
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Tim the body is really coming along nicely great job!!
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Coming along real nice Tim. I'll get back to you on the PM too, been kinda busy. Keep up the good work!
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tim your doing a great job . are you sure your not a tin nocker ? :rolleyes:
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Thanks guys, every comment is added motivation. Brian, thanks for answering the pm so quickly, I'm hopefully we can work something out!!
Ihbuilder, I don't think anyone's called me a tin knocker before! Has a nice ring to it!! In fact I am a automotive restorer, and lately I've been restoring a Pete for a friend of mine. I'm hopeful I'll get some more done today, I'm hoping to get atleast a door done. And please, if anyone sees something they think is not quite right, please bring it to my attention, sometimes a new perspective can be refreshing, and pointing out the blatantly obvious is sometimes needed. Thanks for looking Tim |
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How about posting some pics of the Pete your restoring. From the one pic you have I see a door from a 359?
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"I am a automotive restorer"
well that expains it, much better :) |
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Good eye Brian, the truck I'm doing is a 359! I'll have to sort through pictures to find some of it, but I'll post them when I can.
Ihbuilder, I think I prefer tin knocker now!! Lol I have run into a snag in my build. Well I have many, but this one is really bugging me, can someone help???? I have my door built about 40% http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/2cc4436a.jpg http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/3ce2840d.jpg http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/1744c9b2.jpg And this is how it fits, my problem is my hinge. Now my plan was to use a piece of 1/8 rod and 5/64 tube to make my hinge http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/84946f06.jpg Now I'm trying to figure out how to make it work. I want it to look like the piano hinge on a full size truck, but I currently can't figure out how to get my pin into the hinge as the upper door frame is right in the way, and to go up from the bottom I'd have to bend the door out of the way http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/0b93b0ab.jpg Hopefully the picture helps my explanation, I hope someone can help me! Thanks for looking Tim |
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spectacular!! hope you figure out the hinge!!!!!!!!!!
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Is the cab floor or the sill plate of the cab in the way, or something, that you can't push the pin in from the bottom? You might not have a choice but to solder the hinge onto the cab and door, after the pin is in place. Unless you build the hinge first, and then bolt it to the door.
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looks good Tim , here's a pic of my hing for my 5900i heavy haul . They're basically 2 brass butt hinges stacked to make the piano hing . you can find them in any hardware store . I think I used .625"x.5" :confused:
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I feel your paint with the hinges, I have the biggest trouble when it comes to them on my build as well. I hate them so much that I built one for the drivers door about 6 month ago and still havent done the pssengers side out of hate LOL..You can look over my 5 ton build and see how I did mine if it helps..
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Thank you diesel diamond. Espeefan, pretty much everything is in the way, door sill, floor, door frame. I was hoping to keep the doors removable, I like the stacked hinges that ihbuilder used. I looked at my local hardware store but I couldnt find anything that small. So espeefan, I may have to just solder them!
There is a doll house store in town that I'm going to check. Crawler07, I like your hinges. Do you have anymore detailed photos of how you did them? I want to try everything and see what works best. I have an idea that I'm going to try, and I'll post pics even if it doesn't work. This is why I joined this board, everyone is so helpful and friendly! Thanks for looking Tim |
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Wow what a week!! I didn't get much chance to do anything until today. I played with hinges today, and I'm going to try a couple other ideas before I decide on my final arrangement, but I'd like to hear what you guys think.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/5312b034.jpg These are the small hinges I finally found that ihbuilder suggested http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...1/2a50fd41.jpg And this is the same thing just from farther away I like the look, but I've got to do some structure mods to use them. They push the door way back. What do you guys think? |
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yep I like them also. I would get you some pics of my hinges,but it doesnt look like you need to see mine as yours look so good!
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