Hayes HD Dump Truck - Take II
 

The idea of this project has been in the works for a couple of years but I finally got the go ahead on it a few months back. There are two cabs being built at the moment but one is going to Lou and he will finish it as he sees fit. The other cab is where my first major customer build starts. I will be building a scale(ish) model of a 1959 Hayes HD that was bought new buy my customers father. The truck was replaced and sold off many, many years ago and was long thought to be lost. It was stumbled upon a few years ago and the original family bought it back. It is now being restored to original condition as a tribute truck to my customers father. I hope to do the mini version justice so that it can sit proudly next to it's 1:1 brother!

Here's what I built today...

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Thanks for looking.

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We all know the end result will be top notch, but in the meantime we can enjoy the pictures :drool:

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I am looking foreword to see how this one goes.. Reg. you are a great builder with a lot of talent... Is it going to be a tractor or straight truck????



Wayne

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Thanks guys. It's going to be a dump truck Wayne. It will look similar to the red one I built for myself but have a different box design, lift mechanism and color.

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Hi Reg your Tig welding is getting a lot better soon you will be a pro. Ed

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Wow Reg, they're looking amazing already! Keep the pictures coming!

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Another SUPER job in the works!! Keep us posted.

-Terry

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Looks Great so far Reg ..Im still amazed at how Well your M&B Hd turned out ..I cant wait to get my paws on that..

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Here's a little update from yesterday. The cabs are all smoothed out and I'm ready to start building fenders!

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You dont mess around do you ! Every time i look at your Hayes truck it takes me back to when i was 5 and my dad took me to the Hayes plant in Vancouver and i sat in a similar truck . Thats where it all started for me .

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Haha, I have no time to mess around...or do I spend all of my time messing around?:confused::confused::confused: I'm really not sure anymore...

Going to the Hayes plant would have been cool! Building this sort of stuff reminds me of when I was younger as well. Life was much less complicated back then that's for sure...

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In the early 70's i made several trips to Hayes as my dad knew one of the big wigs there and i collected all sorts of things from caps, stickers, patches, brochures, even a tape measure. Sadly all im left with today is the hat and the tape measure. I bet nobodys ever seen an original Hayes tape measure. Those were good days .

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I haven't devoted much time to this over the past couple of months but with a springtime completion date looming I have been putting around on it the last bit. I haven't made much progress but eventually I will get there with it. I started making some Budd wheels for it. I have a lot of machining left to do on these obviously but at least it's a start. I have spent a bit of time making jigs and dies so that if I want to make them again it's not such a pain. The wheels I made for my Hayes turned out OK but the dies sucked. Hopefully time spent now will pay off later down the road...

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Wheels look killer! Always enjoy your posts :D

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:jaw::jaw::jaw: very nice work

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Holy crap man.. Haha your builds are ridiculous!

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Yeah what he said!!! Did you make the dies from just regular laying around steel? Doing some real professional looking stuff!!! And I wish I would spend the time making better jigs and better drawings as it's made me realize one offs sometimes isn't enough !! Keep up the killer work bro!!!

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Thanks guys. I am back in the shop today so hopefully I can make some more progress. RW, the dies are just 6061 alum. I made the original "punch" from IMPAX steel(stub left over from re-pinning my mini ex) but this time around I just used aluminum because I could machine it on my mini lathe. I think the aluminum will be OK as I don't plan to build a lot of these. If I were going into production though I would definitely make both sides from steel even if it wasn't IMPAX. I am still not 100% happy with the profile but I will wait to make my final decision on them until I finish the machining on one. I made end up changing the dies again and making new centers.

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A tiny bit of progress after hours of work.lol There is a reason people that build and sell wheels have CNC machinery. I would say that I am about halfway on these wheels after two full days. Next up will be machining the beads(not the kind Mario uses:p) and then I will do some more work on the hubs to make them look more realistic. I have started making my own axle housings(Rockwell 4640) for this but I am unsure at this point if i will use them. Once I decide what I am doing with that I will either cross drill the hubs for a set screw and a blind axle hole or machine a hex into the back for the stock axles, drilling right through and using a cap on the hub.

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Thanks for looking!

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Simply AMAZING!!! Money will buy all the tools needed for a project like this, but the skill and talent you have is priceless!!! Definitly be watching these builds.

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Look great Reg . Yes , the CNC is necessary for wheel production otherwise you go crazy :eek:

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Thanks very much. Yes, you need to have a little of both to build these kind of things. Hopefully I can keep the build interesting!

I would say you know that better than anyone else Steve! Even with stamping the centers this isn't a quick job. Especially when you factor in making hubs for all three axles. It took me 3 1/2 days to make the wheel assemblies for the first HD. I thought I could do it faster this time but it is going to be about the same. I guess one guy can only make parts so fast when each part requires several different setups and processes. Hopefully it looks ok in the end and then it will all be worth while.

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Almost past this thread by :eek::eek: Glad I took the time to look at it. Reg, Your skills went past mine on this one. Between the welding and now your die making ability, I feel like I am in grade school again compared to you. :jaw: Took me awhile to figure out how you made the holes in the center pieces. All I can say is " OUTSTANDING!!!"

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Great work! The wheels look great.

Kerst

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Let's not get silly now. I'm very flattered by your compliment but I could stand to learn a lot from you! I made up a simple collet to hold the centers at the correct height in the rotary table for milling the holes prior to pressing them together. A bit of grinding on a two flute endmill provided a shape that I am somewhat happy with. I will take a picture of my setup when I get the chance. All simple parts really.

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Well, all my hubs are roughed in finally! I threaded the 10, 1-72 holes in one front hub and mounted up a wheel for a test fit. I am somewhat happy!(rare:mad:) The don't look 100% correct but I do like how they look:). Once I have everything machined the way I like I will make the dust covers for the front hubs.


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Just so ya know.....I'm still buying lottery tickets so I can win and move in next door eh? So make sure that property doesn't sell ;)
And enough about the beads! :D Don't make me come out there and bead it out of you! :lol:

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All has gone quiet next door for now. Heard some rumors that money was running thin so they have shut down until spring. By then you will have won the lotto and be ready to buy. Raining heavily here today but we haven't had more than a dusting of snow here for three years. Pretty good weather for the RC's really so hurry up and pick that winning ticket my friend!

Oh, and yeah... No more comments about the beads...:p

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Those are some great looking wheels. This is going to be a great truck, I always liked the old Hayes, they were pure work trucks.

Nice Job,
Chris

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My 1st steel wheels I made for myself where stamped much like what you are doing . I just didn't have a mill at the time :( ( well I had a hand held 1 :p ) . I tried tac welding them together , didn't turn out too well :( but got me into this mess I'm in now :rolleyes::p . The best thing out of it, Is the cool toys I have to werk with now :bounce:

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Some jewelery pics. I am finally getting down to it with these hubs....

Here's a picture of my poor mans powered 4 axis.lol It actually works fairly well and knocks the machining time down to about two minutes per bead. Certainly beats turning that handle thousands of times by hand!

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And the goodies...

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Beautiful job, i wouldn't expect anything less

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I have to agree, "WONDERFUL JOB". 1 question for you, What is the wall thickness of the rim at the grooves? Would really like to see these in person :eek: They do look amazing. Are my eyes playing tricks on me or do the centers have an angle on the main body?

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Thanks guys. I'm not sure what the wall thickness is. I know the grooves are 2mm deep so I am guessing it's around 1mm thick. Yes the hubs are tapered a little.

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Thanks for the quick answers! Another ?? for you- Why didn't you turn the grooves in the wheels instead of milling them? I know, I know, lots of silly ?'s but this is the way you learn things :D:D

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I find it to be faster than turning them in the lathe. I don't know if it is my setup/tooling or what but I can never cut the grooves in the lathe without galling issues unless I turn the stuff really slow. Even then I have ruined a couple of wheels when they were almost finished. In the mill I use a 1/8 cutter with the mill screaming. I use the drill to turn the rotary table and my right hand can steadily feed the Z axis down(slowly) with only the occasional squirt of alcohol needed for coolant. The wrong way to do it but it works well for me.:confused:

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Your way of machining the grooves is not wrong. Just another way of doing it. I normally use WD40 or a cutting/tapping fluid for coolant. Never thought about using alcohol. Would not be as messy!!

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That's an intresting way to make wheels. Read the tread twice but could not find how you made those oval holes. How did you fasten the discs to the tubing??
Didn't realy follow why it was not possible to turning them in lahte. The grooves could be done before pressing the disc inside, that way you will not ruin the hole wheel, just a thought :)
Dan

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Yes, the alcohol works very well. The mess evaporates and so it doesn't leave a residue that effects paint or powder coat. I owe my father in-law for that bit of knowledge...

The oval holes are made with a custom ground two flute end mill. Nothing fancy. The centers are pressed in tight and the lip I leave on them holds them straight. With the rear duals being one piece they are very strong just the way they are but once powder coating has been applied they should stay put for sure. Like I said before, I think it is my tooling or setup in the lathe that just doesn't work well causing it to gall and make a mess. I used a couple of different parting tools to do the job and they did work but you have to go very slow. I made the grooves in the wheels for my KW on the lathe and it took forever. I also destroyed one when it galled up and collapsed it in the chuck. I learned the hard way that it is better to press in the centers first before you machine the grooves. The centers are quite hard to press in and you run the risk of ruining the outer bead on the rim.

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Got the new kicks for this one the other day. I guess I had better get going on the axles!
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