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Got started on the build. Doesn't feel like I have much done when I sit back and look at it but there are just so many pieces its mind boggling. Started with a complete tear down of the axles to grease and thread lock all fasteners.
Inside the differentials. Someone voiced concern about them being made of pot metal but they look strikingly similar to the re-re bruiser diffs. Right down to the hardened steel planetary gears. Which have proven to hold up great on my bruiser even under brushless power. I recently took the rear axle apart and it all still looks brand new. For this reason I chose to use the same Tamiya ceramic grease in these axles. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...0a37ff1f5b.jpg Wheels are 2.8 and they look to be about the same diameter as the RC4WD mud slingers on my bruiser. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...74ed7ecf71.jpg A look inside the front axle. They use cvd's and have no 4mm nut holding on the hubs, just an e-clip. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...7f30cdafd5.jpg The first problem I encountered was with the tapping of the holes for the 6mm screws that hold on the diff cover. They weren't drilled or tapped deep enough to use a 6mm screw like the manual states. The axles came pre assembled and the screws were all sticking out 1 to 2mm. My fix was to shorten some screws. 4 of the screws that hold the diff on are short ones, the other 4 are 12mm as they secure into the 3rd member itself. Which meant I had to shorten the 14mm scale bolts I used as there aren't any in a 12mm size. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...6825f60e63.jpg Completed front axle. Scale Bolts all the way around. The link mounts are 2 pieces that are screwed together with 4 m2 screws that clamp the axle, and an m3 screw is used to key them on the axle. I forgot to slap on both calipers for the pics.. Whoops. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...5242692238.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...9112ffabcf.jpg For the rear axle I decided to fix the 6mm screw problem differently. I drilled through the case and retapped the holes to accommodate the longer screws. It will add a bit more strength as opposed to shortening the screws. I considered going back and doing the same type of fix to the front axle but it took so long just to get to this point, I wasn't about to tear down the axle again. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...638521094a.jpg Completed rear axle. The link mounts bolt on much the same as the front, this time with 4 m2 nuts though. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...46deec57f8.jpg Chassis assembly. Chassis consists of stamped steel rails and solid aluminum bars connecting them. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...249dfd1e02.jpg Lower links and the grommet and sleeve mounting method. Pretty scale. The uppers are standard ball type links. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...a9fab3137d.jpg This is where I am at with it so far. It took most the day to get to this point. All in all a great looking 5 link setup. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...80e8267b51.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...8f3fdfbff6.jpg More to follow soon. Hoping I can do more tonight. Im at the point where I need to start putting in some servos believe it or not. The steering and diff lock servos mount on the rear of the chassis. And 3 mini servos mount inside the faux motor housing. Need to hit the hobby shop. |
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Work continues, stayed up late last night and spent some quality time with the jeep. The bearings were really tight on the steering shaft, and very loose fitting into the housing. So i pressed them in with paper towel. Also shimmed the shaft so there is no up and down movement. End result was a nice slop free steering arm.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...8c009a3ff4.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...c7b670e1cb.jpg Routing the steering cable. This was the easy part. Things get a lot trickier on the servo side. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...7691a9294a.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...7542cf4017.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...2d0a11578e.jpg This is how the servos mount together.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...b9e7923278.jpg And heres the cables mounted up. Your basically stuck using a futaba type 25t spline servo because thats the only size horn included with the kit. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...4f41556d3b.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...c36ffbdf72.jpg This is where the servos are mounted for steering and diff lock. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...75acaf4ad9.jpg Thats it for now. Will be working on it some more today so the next update should be soon. |
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WOW, nice piece of kit! You must be one of the first to have this. Last time I checked they were still taking pre-orders.
Have been hoping someone would get one and start a build thread. Thank you for that! Keep the pics and info coming :) Looks like it will be a great vehicle when finished. Cheers and congratulations! Stephan |
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That's cool! Thanks for posting. I love the larger scale models.
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Finally got the steering working properly. It was proving near impossible to get the steering arm centered at the same time the servo was centered. Plus there was alot of play in the cables my first attempt. Had to get clever and mount a spare link to the arm and chassis to hold it still.
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I found it necessary to trim most of the rubber grommets off the servo wires. They are awful close to the horns and I was worried about them rubbing. I needed to get a sharper bend out of them. Also zip tied them to the servos to keep them clear.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...51785a86c3.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...3856146ec5.jpg Added a washer to the rear bumper mounts. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...4a17b638e6.jpg And got the servo bank all mounted up. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...ac02383670.jpg Front links assembled. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...678f17a6aa.jpg Mounted to axle. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...a08e8d1852.jpg Filled the shocks with oil. Don't forget the slime! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...cc021810b4.jpg Decided to use some purple spacers here as there was over 2mm of slack. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...7f3fc0b7b9.jpg And this is where the real problems started. After getting everything mounted up. I noticed the travel up front was being limited by something. Turned out the axle was hitting the pan-hard bar mount. The immediate fix was to extend the pan hard bar but then the axle was WAY off center. At least it looked it to me... Others might not have noticed but it was driving me nuts. Notice how much shock travel is left at full compression. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...3803b14352.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...278754c155.jpg What I ended up doing was shimming the steering box/pan hard mount off the frame a bit to give it more clearance. And living with the axle being just a bit off center. It rubs now, but at least it has almost full travel now. Hoping after things break in it wont be an issue. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...3663297889.jpg And heres where I'm at now with it. I spent a large portion of the day on this thing but the progress doesn't seem to show it. Its slow going being as meticulous as I am with something with so many parts.... http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...77c4d323d8.jpg |
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Hi Prop, looks like their quest for realistic scale has infringed on the suspension. Seems like you found a solution though. On the pictures I can not make out if the axle is of centre. Did the oil for the shocks come with the model or is that an extra purchase? Looking forward to your next update. Must say the parts look meticulously machined.
If you are going to use the Jeep a lot you might have to trim the steering from time to time due to cable stretch. I guess they have provided the means for that. Trimming the rubber of the servo wires ... neatly done! I would probably have nicked the wires themselves trying to do that. :) Stephan |
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I wasn't able to get to work on this last night, but i managed to get a few hours in tonight. After making sure everything was thread locked and tighten up on the front end, I noticed yet another issue. This it the pass side sitting normally.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...acf77c89e1.jpg And this is under full compression. Notice how much shock travel is left, and that the steering link is touching the frame. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...3cbb72c23d.jpg My solution was to bent the steering link into more of a strait link then the bend it came with. Seeing how it needed to be lengthened anyways, it worked out perfect. Steering kink as it came in the kit. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...982ac9014e.jpg And after a date with a vice and some pliers. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...ff2ad05ca1.jpg End result. Problem solved. Link now touches the frame right at full compression. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...a69e3e6b0d.jpg Here's the rear diff lock cable installed. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...b67c88819f.jpg And the front diff lock cable. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...a23d674a9c.jpg Rear bumper beam/frame x member. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...20694591dc.jpg Bumper installed. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...869cd95ad3.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...4b68b0278c.jpg Then I came across an issue with the front frame mounting to the middle frame bars. The holes they say to screw into in the manual isn't threaded. You can clearly see where it was drilled out after anodizing. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...e9b11edf8a.jpg My solution was to put a nyloc nut on a longer bolt. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...05b66d80e9.jpg The manual states m2x6 screws to mount the wheels on. But as you can see, theres maybe 1-1/2mm of thread sticking out the back side of the wheel. I chose to use an 8mm screw instead. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...ed205190c2.jpg We have a ROLLER! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...07ca08ca38.jpg Front bumper installed. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...19af092a2f.jpg |
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So heres where the real disappointment comes in. The steering seems to, well.... SUCK! I have dialed out all the slack, to the point where all i can do now is back off the adjusters, and rewrap the cables on the servo horn to tighten them back up.. There seems to be a lot of cable stretching. But with out even any real weight on the truck, the steering is struggling to center itself. Granted it might work fine while its moving, but I cant see it performing very well while crawling or under moderate bind situations. Take notice of the actual servo horn in this video. Its a 425 in/oz servo and is crazy strong. But the setup looses so much by the time it gets to the steering arm.
http://youtu.be/yo61bnruUCM I smell a chassis mounted servo in this rigs future. Looks like theres plenty of room at this point. The motors sitting a little crooked but you get the idea. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...31d3cc5d41.jpg Bit of a size comparison. I set it on top of my Capo 8x8, which is a huge, true 1:10 scale tatra. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...fb8b8fed4d.jpg Its actually a bit wider then the Tatra. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...5274f91b4b.jpg |
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Neat solution on the steering linkage! You are a brave man bending things on such a pricy kit. :)
Weird that they choose to have the steering done by cables. Even more so with the distance between servo and steering. Maybe, like you say, gets better once moving. But that self centring is indeed a bit of a worry. Nice progress though! And putting it on top of the Tatra makes me realise it's even bigger than I thought. This is going to something else once finished! Stephan. |
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Got to work on the engine/transmission.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...981b0da71a.jpg Shift forks http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...6ce93d7c53.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...6744692728.jpg Bolted on tranny tail http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...3fb8701529.jpg Transfer case mounted http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...b6a7ea61ac.jpg Gears installed http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...47f3b0b949.jpg A look at the 2wd/4wd shift mechanism http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...38b1ca4c14.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...4e48a79da2.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...452a9c45bc.jpg It seems to work really smooth. Only thing im not thrilled about is how open the top of the trans is to outside debris. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...7bc565c542.jpg Disc brake cam and piston http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...198caa940a.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...ec1e750602.jpg No brake pads to speak of. Just metal on metal. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...e51a0fe9f6.jpg Mounted up http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...156a320862.jpg Using the 45 can motor that came with the cross 8x8. 45t is recommended in the manual and I had this one laying around so.... Notice the brass helical pinion gear. Hope its durable. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...8b6c112929.jpg Rest of the gears installed. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...c1f5f6ccbd.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...5ef12d36d2.jpg All greased up and ready to close up. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...caee20ed5f.jpg Oil pan installed. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...20307a3ff1.jpg Started mounting the 3 sub micro servos. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...e661448ac8.jpg And this is where I leave it for the night. This thing reminds me alot of the original bruiser trans. It functions much the same way, with the exception that it looks realistic on the outside. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...4c95b8f273.jpg |
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The gears in the gearbox and transfer case look up to the job, not like the brass gears they used in the Capo. I presume the brass on the motor will be up to the task and in worst case would be a sacrificial part?
Outer casing looks very well finished and realistic. Like the transfer case brake. Just like on the Defender I used to have. (although there it was drum brake). 3 servos. Guessing one for the gearbox, one for the transferbox and one for the brake? All in all very neat kit, nice machining/casting on the parts and looks like excellent fit too. I guess by the time you finish this build I will be sorely tempted ... Stephan |
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The brakes are an interesting animal... Im not sure how usefull its going to be, but i plan on controlling it with a dial. So it can function as an adjustable drag brake on the fly. Are you talking a 1:1 landy that had a brake like this? Or a scaler? This kit overall shows some pretty presice machining. I cant however vouche for the tapping of the screw holes. Im constantly finding ones not tapped deep enough for the specified screws, and one on the trans case wasnt tapped at all. I would say to anyone if you dont mind having to perform numerous small tweeks and modifications, you will be more then happy with this Jeep. Im not even a jeep guy and I love it lol. |
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So I made a trip to the local hobby store today, and boy my wallet payed for it...
I was looking for a dx8 or futaba 7 channel but all they had was a DX9. A hefty price tag but I rationalized it by telling myself this will be the last transmitter ill ever have to buy. Im good at convincing myself I need to buy things lol. Now I can install servos and make sure they are centered properly. And I have my switch layout mostly figured out now. Plan is lights and a winch for the extra channels. Work will continue tonight! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...fec1384667.jpg |
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Don't know about your Capo, but on mine I had some cross threaded screws, a couple of holes without thread and the load bed didn't fit. The holes were off with about 3/16th inch. Seems they have not improved there. Doing all those little tweaks does make building it more interesting. Noticed there are some companies selling helical gears, so you might be lucky to find one with some searching. Or a good machinist should be able to duplicate it. If you are really going to use it in rough terrain, I would take some measurements and pictures of it. For the brake, have you thought of putting/gluing some thin felt as pads? Might make them more controllable. I see you as good at convincing yourself as I am ... ;) |
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It's the parking brake. It's located on the back of the transfer case.
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Got some work done on the jeep last night. I had to elongate the holes on the servos in order to screw the engine halves together.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...c825dfd1d8.jpg You screw one side of the servos in, then the other sides after the engine halves go together. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...7ba42c4f3b.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...4922d86116.jpg I had to take the oil pan off in order to rout one of the cables through the transmission. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...39f3c4e784.jpg Then I encountered a problem. The hole where the cable comes out is to large. It swallows the cable sheath.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...e7ca27a3f8.jpg My solution was to take one of the spare brass cable mount pieces, (not sure what they're called) and remove some material from the side of it so it would fit into the hole. I had to do this because the side of the transmission case is very close to the hole. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...1b08e9e87e.jpg 1 very tiny motor and some tiny screws to mount it. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...07081e4169.jpg This drives the accessory belt. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...a98e50e9e3.jpg I had a bit of a problem adjusting the servo for the brake. It was working fine, then it got a mind of its own, then it just stopped working. After spending some time trying to figure out what was going on, I realized my 2s lipo was basically dead. So i swapped it out, and still the brake servo wouldn't respond. Turns out I have a dead servo. I ordered 4, but now i dont have one to mount the steering wheel to. Heres the brake lever with brakes off http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...e210ab34e9.jpg And brakes applied. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...57ace19939.jpg The 2wd/4wd cable was having a hard time operating as well, after staring at it for a while, I decided the sheath was to long. Shortened it up to the position its sitting in here. Works much better now. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...bab62c4557.jpg |
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Looks like a lot of work threading all those cables. Should install the diff lock cables on my build but keep finding excuses to put it off.
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Got the transfer case shift linkage sorted.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...934eed6235.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...afa736f561.jpg Bit of a breakdown of the accessory pulleys http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...c4197cddbe.jpg And installed http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...6571b054d1.jpg Done for the night. Im at the point where i need to drag the airbrush out to do some painting. I want the valve covers red. Then its on to the body. Still torn on a color.... http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...e3b7242af0.jpg |
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I think it's a fantastic build ! Very detailed. Could you provide / give some dimensions of this build please ? Wheelbase, width, how big is the body please. I still have a big body lying around at home, and always wanted to make a nice chassis for it, this one seems so cool. Thank you ! Mike |
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Not much in the way of an update. Im busy at work, plus Im messing with the paint currently. A tedious process for me. Thinking I'm going with blue. Now Im just decided on which blue I want. Making a trip to the hobby store tomorrow to see what options there are in the Tamiya lineup. I did manage to get the engine painted and installed though. Along with the prop shafts.
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Worked some more on it today.
Started with the floor. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...94bddcaa08.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...f958bb3883.jpg Then the seats. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...a7dd4c40aa.jpg Seat mounting brackets. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...f49cc19cd5.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...c8c955c8fd.jpg Seats and trans tunnel mounted to floor. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...9ec77be474.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...014996c807.jpg Then I moved on to the dash. The gauge cluster is printed on thin plastic, the idea is lights behind it shine through. The directions are unclear, but there was only 1 clear piece to cover the printed cluster, and the gauges came all warped in my kit. So I cut up a scrap piece of lexan to sandwich them and keep them flat. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...bc90afc320.jpg Finished dash. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...b598c8efe3.jpg One of the body panels had some casting issues. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...c1f682031f.jpg Found some TS-15 locally so was able to start painting body parts. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...d9024aa07e.jpg |
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Nice job on the engine! That bit of paint makes a **** of a difference!
They sure upped their game on the detailing in this model. That interior looks pretty good. Am I correct in thinking you added those little color details to the dash, handbreak etc.? If so, I should send you the dash of my truck :) Stephan |
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I admire your steady hand on that bit of paint on the dash/wheel!, no way I could work that neat!
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The painting and priming continues. Its amazing how thin the Tamiya rattle cans go on. I think i have 7 coats before all the sanding marks disappear. Taking my time on the other pieces and sanding with finer grit before I lay down the paint.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...6130dffeb4.jpg Ive noticed quite a few small imperfections in the casting of the body pieces. Nothing a little filler cant fix. But the windshield housing... Yikes. It was rough. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...4d7f157427.jpg Starting assembling the roll cage while paint was drying. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...3698e1415c.jpg Once assembled. It became pretty clear there was a problem. The left and right side bars aren't bent to match. You can see the difference when i stand it up against the wall. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...177d69845e.jpg Then I had a pretty major boo boo... The cowl pice between the hood and windshield was pretty badly bent right out of the box. I tried to gently bend it back into shape, and it just snapped in two instantly... Pretty much zero give when it comes to cast aluminum. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...a6a4556ef3.jpg On the plus side the fella I bought this from is supposed to be sending me new roll bars and the cowl piece. Bit of a life saver there. As i have no clue how i would go about repairing the cowling. |
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Lucky for you the guy can send you a replacement! My fear in buying from CAPO ... When I ran into a non-fit problem with the 8x8 no replies on the emails.
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A bit of assembly, and more paint...
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...44155fda77.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...02ba113f51.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...68f7391e9e.jpg Had to ream the mounting points to allow the body panels to flush up. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...19556e48e6.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...d49c47c14d.jpg Rear quarters mounted to the floor. The wheel flairs bolt on with m2 screws http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...b034ce1270.jpg More paint. Ive gone through the 3 cans of Tamiya spay paint i picked up. Need to get some more now to finish. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...25c3acdc50.jpg This is the door panel treatment. Im trying to mimic a 1:1. Masked off proper areas. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...30c7da6891.jpg Im happy with the end result. Makes it look as though the doors have some thickness to them. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...9ac826814d.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...a8cac28ef5.jpg |
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Sitting on top of a 26" tool box.
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:D very nice your doing a great build and the paint on the door looks great
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