Brand new f$cking trucks with TONS of problems

[Radio Control Trucker]

F.Y.I. - If anyone was interested in the amount of nuclear blasts detonated by the various countries between 1945 - 1998:

The short version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2ml3pVqcA2c

The long version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=LLCF7vPanrY

I'm certain this had (at least) some effect on "Global Weather Patterns"

- RCT

[Espeefan]

It's funny that people can mention hybrid cars being more enviormentally friendly, yet the manufacturing process used to build the batteries for such vehicles does a lot of damage to the enviorment too. More so, they say, then manufacturing normal internal combustion powered vehicles. The hybrid cars themselves are not so eco friendly in that respect. Their advantage is they consume less fossil fuels AFTER being built, which helps our country free itself of reliance on fossil fuels for powering vehicles, but not for manufacturing them! You just can't win.

Likewise, diesels that consume more fuel during regeneration, to burn cleaner, don't seem to be gaining anything either.

What was said about diesel engines lasting half as long because of the designed emissions equipment is true. Fuel injected on the exhaust stroke, during regeneration is not burnt in the cylinders, and as such a good amount of that unburnt fuel washes down the rings, contaminating the engine oil. I think most of us know what happens when oil is diluted with fuel...

[doodlebug]

Exhaust gas re-puke-culation doesn't help engine life either!
Cheers, Neil.

[WhiteWolf McBride]

*laughs his (*tush*) off*

I was tempted years back to try for a truckers license (think its AZ/DZ in Ontario, hm Kenny & Mario?) but then though " I got my Disability, and companies will want me to futz with the cargo. Stuff that with bad back and gut, I'm O-U-T. " (qualified in '92, and I'm ~permanent~ status now)

So instead, I ran my sneakers (and other parts) off a few days a week delivering pizza for a friend to make ends meet. I picked up a '89 Ford Escort w/ 1.9 litre 5 spd. std. & 93 thou kms. I ran her six more years... for over 800 THOU kms on her meter before she HAD to go to the wreckers due to rust at the doors (frame-side) but that engine ~still~ could pass an eco-test, and ~purred~

I used to do errands for the boss too, which often included running across town ASAP for something critical. I'd watching guys come ~screaming~ past me in everything from SUV's to sports cars, and then laugh myself into a coughing fit when I pulled up behind them on an off-ramp. They'd burned how much extra fuel for absolutely NO gain, and a net loss in fuel, engine wear, and accident risk (not to mention tickets?)

I also ~coasted~ lots to save fuel (why I ~still~ insist on a stick!) and one way back into the 'za shop lot, I could ~almost~ turn the car off (not fully, power steering) and coast a full km to the door. Needed the steerin' for the last nasty zig-zag into the lot, and at a decent clip, you dinna want to be dry-haulin' that wheel

Now I drive a Ford Focus now, as Ford killed the Escort lineup (beat the heck out of the Tempo/Taurus!) and its still only a 2 litre, but ~still~ a 5 spd. std! I maintain her well, and she'll probably outlast me... (I'm ~NOT~ in good shape) if I'm careful and don't prang her up!

Oh, when I inherited my Dad's 2000 Olds Intrigue in 2010, it suddenly developed what we were told was a tranny prob, 1800+. Car ain't worth that much. In the end, it was some electronic fuel item, $200 & $100 labor (I love my mechanic!) and the car went to Idjit nephew in 2012. Fall 2012 he melted the engine block down by leaving the block heater on FOR A WEEK

Guys, think of all the ways ya can ~LAUGH~ about it, and you'll last longer.

And as always, Keep the Rubber Side Down, Eh?

WhiteWolf McBride, 100% retired now
(been silent and AWOL too long)

[aussietruckerguy]

We have the same issues... work brought 6 new Kenworth 409's with 4 new 36 pallet curtain trailers (vardrey) that run to 26 metres length. We have had nothing but issues with all of them. Truck and trailers gone back atleast 3 times each. Engine issues, gearbox and electric issues with the prime movers. Major design issues with the trailers including basic stuff like clearance issues between the A and B trailers- chassis hit the chain rail with a 2 inch deflection in the road.

[Rebekah_harper]

Should have bought DAF.

PACCAR who owns pete, owns DAF Trucks. think you'd be better off.

[BRICKNICK]

So fast forward to today....the check engine lights are still on and have remained on since day one. I just left a peterbilt class at my local peterbilt dealer Hunter Jersey Peterbit in Jackson Nj. It was a class put on and sponsered by Peterbilt, Cummins, and Paccar. So the class was titled "what is wrong with my new truck and how can we fix it". What a joke, the engineers present from peterbilt that was the chassis guru the Cummins engineer genius and the paccar engines engineer are trying to explain to a room of mechanics, owner operators and trucking fleet owners what nox is and how its a nitrogen atom with for oxygen molecules connected to it......really dude? Why did we show up to a chemistry class? Basically they told us these systems are garbage but......"were really getting better at this" exact quote from the paccar engineer. I was completely dumb founded. So after we reminded them we are in the trucking industry and not the molecular physiology field, they kinda got on track with some issues. But one of the most interesting points brought up by an owner operator of a small fleet of produce hauling trucks, we were told that the def fluid goes bad if exposed to too much heat or direct sunlight. By too much heat I mean any thing over 85-90 degrees Fahrenheit. The trucker then said so when I haul a load out to the dessert in the middle of summer and its 120 degrees and I'm stuck with out a return load for five days what happens to my full tank of def fluid? He was then told "after about day 3 your fluid has separated and now is pretty much ineffective, at day 5 its completely useless." Wow the stupid things you don't think of. The truckers basically got sick of all the "please bare with us and our new emissions mandates ...were dealing with a learning curve excuse" and said that there best bet is to buy a glider kit and retro fit a pre emissions 06 or older engine in a new glider, which is still legal by the way and one of the company owners there has 11 new gliders out in the yard he had just ordered. So now after this class that was to reassure us about these issues and help us understand, I have leas faith now then before and I'm firmly sticking to my statement "ill never buy a truck with these emissions systems". And you shouldnt either...........rant finished

[doodlebug]

Originally Posted by BRICKNICK

So fast forward to today....the check engine lights are still on and have remained on since day one. I just left a peterbilt class at my local peterbilt dealer Hunter Jersey Peterbit in Jackson Nj. It was a class put on and sponsered by Peterbilt, Cummins, and Paccar. So the class was titled "what is wrong with my new truck and how can we fix it". What a joke, the engineers present from peterbilt that was the chassis guru the Cummins engineer genius and the paccar engines engineer are trying to explain to a room of mechanics, owner operators and trucking fleet owners what nox is and how its a nitrogen atom with for oxygen molecules connected to it......really dude? Why did we show up to a chemistry class? Basically they told us these systems are garbage but......"were really getting better at this" exact quote from the paccar engineer. I was completely dumb founded. So after we reminded them we are in the trucking industry and not the molecular physiology field, they kinda got on track with some issues. But one of the most interesting points brought up by an owner operator of a small fleet of produce hauling trucks, we were told that the def fluid goes bad if exposed to too much heat or direct sunlight. By too much heat I mean any thing over 85-90 degrees Fahrenheit. The trucker then said so when I haul a load out to the dessert in the middle of summer and its 120 degrees and I'm stuck with out a return load for five days what happens to my full tank of def fluid? He was then told "after about day 3 your fluid has separated and now is pretty much ineffective, at day 5 its completely useless." Wow the stupid things you don't think of. The truckers basically got sick of all the "please bare with us and our new emissions mandates ...were dealing with a learning curve excuse" and said that there best bet is to buy a glider kit and retro fit a pre emissions 06 or older engine in a new glider, which is still legal by the way and one of the company owners there has 11 new gliders out in the yard he had just ordered. So now after this class that was to reassure us about these issues and help us understand, I have leas faith now then before and I'm firmly sticking to my statement "ill never buy a truck with these emissions systems". And you shouldnt either...........rant finished

And that's exactly why I told my accountant in April, I can dump unlimited money into my 97 Mack CL713 and be ahead of a new truck! last 2 winter's with worn out ISX 15's, PURE P.O.S.! driving for a friend part time.
I'll bet they didn't talk about egr valve failure's, turbo actuators going South, egr cooler's sending coolant into the intake manifold. And when the turbo actuator starts sticking, they will cause the engine to backfire, and sound like a tire blowing out, happened to me up by Calgary AB this year.
cheers, Neil.

[BRICKNICK]

Originally Posted by doodlebug

And that's exactly why I told my accountant in April, I can dump unlimited money into my 97 Mack CL713 and be ahead of a new truck! last 2 winter's with worn out ISX 15's, PURE P.O.S.! driving for a friend part time.
I'll bet they didn't talk about egr valve failure's, turbo actuators going South, egr cooler's sending coolant into the intake manifold. And when the turbo actuator starts sticking, they will cause the engine to backfire, and sound like a tire blowing out, happened to me up by Calgary AB this year.
cheers, Neil.

They did for sure talk about everything you mentioned especially egr failure and egr coolers dumping coolant into the dpf and wiping it out and then it costs you $10k for all new....no thank you the new trucks are unreliable and killing everyone's profit who bought one. I'll stick to the old reliable ones.

[Lmackattack]

It's sad what the government has forced diesel engine mfg to do and in return what it cost the end user. I really scratch my head at how big fleets can afford so many pos new trucks and turn a profit with all the down time they have.

[doodlebug]

Originally Posted by Lmackattack

It's sad what the government has forced diesel engine mfg to do and in return what it cost the end user. I really scratch my head at how big fleets can afford so many pos new trucks and turn a profit with all the down time they have.

It's called lease purchase, and they don't care if the driver gets f'd in the process.
Then they find a new victim and start the cycle again!
Cheers, Neil.

[cabs]

I just dropped my 2014 kw 550isx at the the dealer today. Electrical problems again. New vs old is a tough call, looks good and rides great. The other 6 are having good luck, I got the bad one.

[BRICKNICK]

Originally Posted by cabs

I just dropped my 2014 kw 550isx at the the dealer today. Electrical problems again. New vs old is a tough call, looks good and rides great. The other 6 are having good luck, I got the bad one.

Who do you drive for cabs? And btw I told Stevie T up in the hill at the brick dump about you knowing him and he said hmmm I wonder who it is?

[cabs]

The Deere dealer that goes to you guys. They come with tan lowboys

[bigford]

we have one 2014 kw 680 and one 2015 kw 680
both have rainy day check codes
both have there inside cab lights staying on
and a few other problems. My truck is a 06 550hp w900l
and she goes out and runs 315 miles every day
screw new trucks. I told my boss when he sells the last two
w900s I was quiting. just so I don't have to drive a new truck

[Lmackattack]

I just did a 450 mile round trip in my 78' Mack. Started out this morning with some air pressure troubles. A vice grip and some electrical tape got me back running with air pressure..then A $15 bendix governor and I fixed it my self as soon as the parts store opend.....no getting towed to a dealer because i cant find the problem and no dealer tech plugging in to the computer to tell me I have no air pressure.. I

[JDH429]

I owned a 92 T800 with an N14 (mechanical motor) bought with 320k miles and put about 200k miles on it, while i had it, it always ran great.

If the manufacturers continue to produce junk, an up side is plenty of work for skilled techs like yourself.

I have given up any hope or trust in the government and the people who run it, a long time ago. Its being run into the ground by asshats who care only about lining their own pockets and have no interest in what is better for the people and future generations. They are puppets who only do what the large corp is paying them to do.

[cabs]

Its the luck of the draw. We have a few 2013 six 550 with 0 problems at all. $- 2014 isx550 and mine is a problem only. there not all junk. If you don't have a garage to walk circles around an old truck a new aint a bad idea. To each his own is what it comes down to. If they were all junk cummins and kw would be out of business. I think we all hear a couple war stories and think the worst.

[Lmackattack]

the truth to the matter is that older Mechanical trucks had less problems, had less down time and parts cost way less. the only down side was the motors needed rod,cam,main bearings sooner. A basic inframe was needed around 500K. but even with that you could rebuild 3 old motors for the price of one of these new electronics. Not to mention you could work on them yourself or find a local garage that could. Now your just about stuck to going to dealerships for repair and you better have a week or so blocked off. don't forget to take out a loan as well if your out of warranty .

[ihbuilder]

Um , Mack you might want to adjust your basic in frame price .At that price I'd have bought a couple low mile mechanical trucks . I did a small cam myself for around 2K - the cam which would've added 1500 to the deal .