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Scaleart - assembling an Arocs 8x8 roll on roll off kipper
Hi guys ... this is going to be one of those threads that will only occasionally get updated when I find the time to work on the kit.
I ordered this truck about a year ago, it arrived begin September 2014 ... I was still messing around with the build of the Fumotec Komatsu 490 Fumotec Komatsu 490 It took rather long from ordering to shipping because I wanted it with the Arocs cabin so had to wait for some of the bits and pieces to be in stock. Elected to wait till they could send all the bits and pieces in one go to avoid extra shipping costs. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psllqq8g3p.jpg Inside the usual wooden box ... http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psp0fsg0dl.jpg And that was it ...After I checked the contents these 2 boxes been sitting around ever since. Let's just say that life got in the way. So this week, I finally started. Here some pics of the contents of the boxes; Truck frame / drivetrain http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pslgfnfzqf.jpg Electronics http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspnejcmy4.jpg Hydrolics / Roll on roll off parts http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psqvdvvr0b.jpg Cabin http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5hfwznbz.jpg And the rear body - I ordered it with the "Baustof Mulde" http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psogd5xuel.jpg Have made a start on the assembly of the frame. Will upload some pics later this week. Must say, very very impressed with the fit and finish. Seriously WOW. Do wish I had smaller fingers though :) |
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I dare say good eye sight and a steady hand too...
I'm sure you will have fun! I do with my Arocs and MAN from ScaleArt... Cheers, AP |
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Thanks apfubar! So right about the eyesight and the steady hand! :)
=========== Been raining all day here, so had time to upload the pictures of the frame. Starting out with the easy bit, the strengthening frame bit for the roll on roll off kipper. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2p2aznny.jpg A bit of a challenge getting the nuts on the bolts http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psrtukthxk.jpg Got it. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1lykctwl.jpg Bolted in the frame (a bit of counting the holes here, but not as bad as it seems). The holes are really to size, so a quick twist back and forth with a small round file works miracles in inserting the bolts. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psvqcxb8qk.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psy5jobzwe.jpg The other bits that are part of the frame. The one in the red box is the rear cross beam that comes with the kit. I ordered the one (the biggish brass bit) that allows installation of the Rockinger trailer coupling. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psloyzofuw.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psl6r7dqwu.jpg Installing rear cross beam http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmgzebmbi.jpg Installing some bits from the servo kit while it's easy to get access. The guides for the bowden cable from the differential lock, the servo holder for the diff lock, and the rear bits that will hold the sub frame and the rear bumper. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pszdmwtzri.jpg So, after about 2 hours ... http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4ht591zr.jpg The holders for the bowden cable are marked out. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psj2zyvh8s.jpg The servo mount for the differential lock, nicely made so the servo sits straight in the frame. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pskottjrah.jpg A bit confusing really, I got a manual for the MAN TGS which is slightly different from how the MB Arocs goes together. For the rest, the fit of the pieces is perfect and plenty of spare screws with it. Mentioning screws, I still need to cut the bolts to size. Haven't done that yet because I'm still trial fitting the pieces at the moment and might take everything apart again to paint before re-assembling. Will email Scaleart to see if they got around to update the manual by now. Next instalment tomorrow weather and time permitting. Cheers, Stephan |
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Does the manual actually say to use longer bolts and then cut them to length? This is one of Wedico's complaints that we don't follow instructions about using the exact bolt size when putting the kits together causing problems after assembly.
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Yup, the manual gives which size to use where. They provide a bunch of M1.6 bolts and nuts which need to be broken off to size. As far as I can tell most of the these black M1.6 bolts are used for the frame. Further down in the assembly they provide lots of different sizes and lengths.
Here a picture of the manual - you can see the numbers on the technical drawing in the first picture of my previous post: http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psxc3pdxkf.jpg |
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Thanks for the pic of the instructions. It actually does make sense for them to do this as it would be cheaper to buy 1 size of bolt and let the consumer size the bolt after it is installed.
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Started on the subframe that will hold the mechanics for the hook lift mechanism.
These are the bits and pieces in that assembly unit: http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps19tfjfxv.jpg Upon opening, lots of little bags with various nuts and bolts ... (most of those for use in assembling the actual mechanism) Also some pieces that are not needed, the black bit for example is for the exhaust of the MAN truck., and of the 2 frames on the left, the bottom one is for the long bodied MAN TGX. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1fchwxua.jpg Starting to put it all together. Manual specifies 2 different kinds of screws. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2pxbhq2g.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psxu8fv5cc.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psqaax2l4g.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3iy2bex5.jpg Attaching subframe to the main frame http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psc1bnbrru.jpg At the front we need to get pieces from another assembly unit, the fender supports. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psn3sqtnyr.jpg After some rummaging in the box here are the bits needed for the front fender. The supports come in 2 different lengths to offset the widening of the frame. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pscfkve0sz.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pskuawucf1.jpg Sidenote - to get the loctite on, I found these dental things priceless. Got them on ebay. one can bend them and they are thin enough to get into thigh spaces. Easy to apply the stuff inside the metal rod and avoid the mess you get when applying to the screw. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psknaloakc.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjz2zhifl.jpg Front fender support installed http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psfgxdefhz.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psdgnl5886.jpg The rear support of the front fender installed http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psgpou7qf0.jpg Was going to do the rear fender supports, but here the difference between the AROCS and the TGS becomes obvious ... Totally different arrangement. From the TGS Manual: http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psplva4rdn.jpg From the AROCS file I was send by Scaleart: http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psg9eejzwm.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspytjmhco.jpg Looks like the AROCS fenders set a bit deeper than those from the MAN TGS. Also will need to install some suspension parts before I can install the fender supports. Will also need to take some parts off to do that. I better go find some more containers to keep all the needed fasteners and washers of the different assembly units organised. Well here the photos of the current stand of the build: Top view: http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pskcwnb3rr.jpg Bottom view http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5kzbxtze.jpg Cheers, Stephan |
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Thanks for posting lots of pics. It's always nice to see the big parts but it's nice to see all the little parts being assembled into one big part. Looks good!!
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Hi Cooper, glad you like it. Since I take the pictures anyway for future reference, might as well post them here. This also gives me a chance to go over what I did and catch mistakes before I get too far ahead.
Already found out I have to work more organised than I'm used to on this build. Cheers! Stephan |
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Talking about mistakes ... forgot to install this part! Was not on the AROCS drawings I got, but is needed anyway because it holds the bumper stops for the hook mechanism.
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psgfgeaeje.jpg Had to remove the sub frame to be able to install it. Too frustrating trying to get the bolt in there with sub frame attached to the main frame. Instructions call for M2 x 8 philips ... seems a bit long to me, but can always file it down later. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8iaykt0q.jpg Good thing I caught in now. Here it is in place: http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7cxofd54.jpg And the lot back together again. You can see how the narrowing main frame made it practically impossible to install it unless one has infinitive patience. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps09ly3fjo.jpg |
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Started on the supports for the rear fenders.
These need to be attached to their supports. There are 2 longer ones. According to the paperwork included, they are supposed to go on the back ... considering the 2 rear ones mount on top of other assemblies, decided to put the 2 longer ones on the front. If I'm wrong I can always change them out later. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pstvitejtj.jpg They are screwed on with loctite, and the hole in them has to be straight up because it is for a screw that will be inserted later to hold the fender in place. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psboyrb4io.jpg Rear one needed to undo the screws already in place and add another one. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psuxpdh3oi.jpg Good thing I haven't cut the screws down to size yet. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspyte6g7s.jpg The middle one mounts on top of the leaf spring support. Manual states to use M2x6 screws. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psvoopj0we.jpg Looks like M2x6 is not going to do it though. Barely long enough to show. Well this is what happens if you order something before the official release. Am sure Scaleart has rectified this by now. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pszef1i3qt.jpg This is where I left it for now. Have to see if I have 8 M2x8 screws around somewhere. Might replace them with some M2x8 bolts I had ordered extra for an other project. Cheers, Stephan |
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Took me a bit to locate the spare M2s. Turned out to be M2x10, so shortened them a bit, and then ready to go for what I thought would be a simple exercise ...
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psichpm98o.jpg Because I now use longer bolts ... the bolts holding the strengthening frame together are blocking access to the holes in the frame. No way can I get the bolts in the hole. Believe me I tried. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8k4zysiz.jpg So couple of choice expletives, and after trying to cut them in situ - witch didn't work at all, due to no access/leverage - the solution I came up with was to get them out one by one, cut them, and with a some more colourful language, put them back in. Worked for 3 of them, the fourth one was damaged so too hard to get out. Might have a go at it later. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjq5gp7sp.jpg After some fumbling decided the easiest (or better less difficult) way would be to just insert all 4 bolts and then take it from there. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshviw94ox.jpg Here it is in place bolted up with loctite. The nut with the arrow pointing to it is the one that has to go on first as it is so close to the fender support you can not get the tool on it. The hole for it is actually a slot so one has some leeway moving the part a bit back and forth. A 3mm wrench is highly recommended to tighten this one. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psoeykkm0l.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psdktynz8b.jpg The other side went a tad easier. Had some practice. Then on to the front support of the rear fenders. On the left this one goes on top of the supports of the box that will hold the hydraulic valves. Also needs to take out the bolts of the centre cross beam http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9ai90ep8.jpg Here supports box and fender loosely assembled http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshndjjd5g.jpg Final assembly (another fumble job, but not too bad) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjfcdwvzg.jpg The right side was easy peasy after all this http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psdvei4mva.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshyndh4e0.jpg Well that is it, had hoped to be a bit further along, but it was not to be. Cheers! Stephan |
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looks great
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Thank you Brel!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Next up is the supports for the rear lights. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2l1heyjm.jpg Tight fit indeed. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspubtukkm.jpg On the left side I had to loosen the bolts from the fender support to get a little leeway. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2kjlpder.jpg Installed. Still needs the part to attach the license plate. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psfic9leda.jpg Next, the rear bumper bar. (comes as part of the hook mechanism) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pstqnmvtqk.jpg Can be installed high ... http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psgxcvemdw.jpg Or low. Installed it low because I will install the rocking tow bit. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psz1bjqoqn.jpg Having a little 2.5 socket key to hold the bolt while setting the nut is handy here. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pslwanuhlw.jpg Bumper bar in. (put some loctite on it) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5clfcrk1.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0dsxoluk.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psh9mzcnet.jpg That's all I had time for. I also shortened the 4th nut from the strengthening frame. One of the reasons of the order this is bolted together is to get the frame to the state where it can be painted. Hence the parts from different assembly units. Cheers! Stephan |
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The leaf spring assembly for both front axles. The 2 parts in the red box replace the regular spacers, one on the left inside of the first axle and one on the right inside of the second axle
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7liqxfwd.jpg The first axle left side, parts laid in order of assembly. I wiggled them out using the tweezers. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psctbwvizy.jpg The points where they attached to the frame are sharp. I elected to sand them off to smoothen them. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psahcaoffq.jpg All the parts for this assembly unit sorted out. (The 2 30mm long screws and the black block at the bottom come from the axle package. Not included with the suspension assembly) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0hj7emex.jpg Assembled http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psuonjnhtq.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psy8l3gkrd.jpg The leaf spring for the 2nd axle http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psuprq0onq.jpg Front suspension left side assembled http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5qn5dg70.jpg Closer look at the 2nd axle http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psacyw1xku.jpg Front leaf springs left and right http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psqg9dqg0v.jpg This took way longer than I thought it would. As before, fit and finish is excellent. Cheers, Stephan |
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Very nice build thread Stephan! Oh and the trucks cool too!:cool:;):D
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Thank you for the compliment Truckmaker! At this moment it looks like it will take a bit before it actually looks like a truck. ;) - at the end of this update I'm only at page 10! Still plenty work left.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ After the front suspension, time to do the rear one. These are the bits: http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshyhzfyuw.jpg And here ready for assembling - the black end has an indent to accommodate the head of the centre screw. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspxzsn5qy.jpg Side view left and right http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmq3mxasa.jpg Top and bottom view http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psanrhtz46.jpg These will not be bolted to the frame at the moment. They'll have to wait till page 17. The front suspension is the next assembly step. Here the right side sorted with all the parts needed. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmqux7lzn.jpg Right side installed ... http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pskuntxqlx.jpg The view inside the frame. For the first axle they left a hole in the frame to accommodate the head of the screw. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pszfjn9pwm.jpg Leafspring of the 2nd axle. (no hole needed here due to the distance block) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psyntqvgc2.jpg Both sides fitted to the frame. On the right side the cross headed screw has to be reversed (head on the outside) to allow the steering mechanism to fit. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6rahzk0n.jpg View from the bottom. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspbgdfajn.jpg And a detail picture of the tight fit at the rear left. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psl3lezwsv.jpg All the fasteners of the suspension have loctite as per instructions. Cheers! Stephan |
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Thanks Stephan for the way your doing this thread blow by blow I didn't realize how much work had to go into a Scale Art truck.
Do you have a pic of the tools your using to assemble this rig ? Cheers Tracy |
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Hi Tracy, yup, lots of bits and pieces go into one of these trucks. Taking the pictures the way I do, makes me stop and think through the assembling part twice or trice before I actually start. And then I still make mistakes like putting the leafsprings on upside down ... Even with the instructions it is confusing from time to time.
I know Scaleart is expensive, but if you see the quality and fit of the parts, it's worth the money spend. (although I do wish it was cheaper) As for tools I use .. I got a set of Knupfer wrenches. They are laser cut and exact. Only wished they were a bit longer. Had my sister who lives in Germany send them over. Lots of interesting stuff on his site too. I guess he will ship outside Europe if asked. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5w1xqddu.jpg This set I found on ebay, not as nicely made. These are roughly finished and not too exact but they are good to hold a nut in place when your fingers can't reach. For size/finish comparison, the 4mm Knupfer one is 4.5 cm and the 4 mm in this set is 10 cm. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1zhxk7jm.jpg And this box has come in very handy indeed. Picked this up a while ago. It's a box for smart phone / tablet repair. Brand is Huijiaqi 8921. (I've seen them online for about US$15 - 16 ) Actually good quality for the money. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psfelyjyuu.jpg The handle has a magnet in it, so it holds the nuts/screws in place, has different length options, you can use the bits without handle (handy in tight places) and the nicest feature is the bendable extension. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshpmbtsbm.jpg Then the usual array of (ball)hex drivers, philips and flat screwdrivers etc. too many to picture. I try not to go to hardware stores too much, always end up buying something or the other. The grey ones are included when you buy from Scaleart. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psin5wimtl.jpg And for the rest, a Dremel is nice, lots of tweezers to pick up little parts, mini pliers etc etc ... And for this build, lots of little plastic containers to keep the assembly units together ... As you can see ... I'm bored today ... Cheers! Stephan |
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Stephan,
Isn't it amazing how many hours get sucked up just on the core of the chassis... Great idea with the dental tools... You are doing a brilliant job with the photos! Cheers, Ap |
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Hi Ap,
Yup so right about how time consuming it all is, time flies if one is having fun! Been "making" too much time for it actually ... have to catch up on some house maintenance first. On a side note, just noticed that I put this right fender support on the left side of the frame and the left one on the right side ... of course it has to be the one that was such a pain to install. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psoeykkm0l.jpg Cheers, Stephan |
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Swapped those two supports and it was a ***** of a job as expected.
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pserequiez.jpg Need to assemble a few more bits and then the frame is ready for painting. Although, might skip the painting, am not too good at that. |
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Raining here, so got some time to add some more.
Installed a small part of the steering linkage as mentioned in the instructions. Because it has wide holes and can be slid left - right, I installed the actual parts that will connect to it, to make sure I got it in the right spot. (Largest screw goes in top hole) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psbh4bxs8x.jpg With the parts in place, and the 2 screws inserted. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psxwk11uof.jpg Installed and loctite applied. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psg2tcngp3.jpg That part done, on to the side underrun protection (a legal requirement in Europe) that needs to be painted as well. However can not be bolted on frame as of yet. This seems a simple small assembly unit, so I give you a full rundown on how it comes. Nicely packaged http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjfbh0h2e.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psd2o6nv3n.jpg Some extra nuts and bolts included, however the ones in the red box are on the parts list, but do not appear on the assembly list ??? Odd. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psekbxdgyq.jpg How it goes together. (another one where one needs be careful as it needs 2 left and 2 right ones) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9vnpeko1.jpg The holes in the aluminium support bracket were a tad tight. So reamed them out a bit. Not really needed, but easier to insert the little bolts. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshtm3oemu.jpg One right one assembled ... http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psofjkingh.jpg Since I wanted to know how the actually bars go on, I looked at the instructions ... http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjf8bwqce.jpg So I am to put a bolt through that hole? The bolt head of the other one is blocking access. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshqsch4fk.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psyelgxfg2.jpg So looks like after paint, the little support will have to come off and the bar bolted on first, then the whole thing can be bolted back to the support bracket ... I tried it, and it does work that way -- if you have 3 hands :) Cheers, Stephan |
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Been thinking about the above "problem" with the bolts blocking one another.
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pst2swwbqq.jpg So did a search on the German forums, where there is more than one thread detailing how these trucks go together, and found the solution in one the older threads from Christian (aka Newcomer_2). Just file the head of one of the bolts down. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psozjldpgt.jpg And problem solved ... just have to file down 7 more. (Dremel to the rescue) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psrdrejmov.jpg |
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=========================== Now bolting on the last parts to the frame to get into "paint ready" mode. These are the parts from the locking/swivel mechanism that will hold the cabin to the frame. I will picture them in the order they went on. The locations on the frame is self evident due to the placing of the holes. Just very confusing as all parts have different sizes of bolts. Here M2x4 http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psl2epxjby.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1puhuevp.jpg Here M2x5 http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pscyeuzhni.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5uemxzwy.jpg M2x6 and M2x10 http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psvdnwruui.jpg The longer screw will hold a spring of the swivel mechanism of the cabin. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psuxnvjht5.jpg This part will hold the front bumper. M2x8 http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjtsvvnus.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4jnochfq.jpg One side done, other is mirror image. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psum4ug0xk.jpg The last part is the cross connector. (M2x6 on the left and M2x5 on the right) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psaxszb8dq.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2nqzhcbv.jpg The bolts on this picture are M2x8 to give you an idea of the detail of the parts. The little hook will hold the spring of the locking mechanism http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2ru56bxq.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmie4kceb.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psvku3udvm.jpg All in all not too difficult to assemble, but gave me some eyestrain figuring out what goes where. Too much information in the technical drawings. Now we wait for decent weather so I can paint, or I just skip the painting all together, too worried I mess it up. Will see. Meanwhile I look and see what other things can be done. Cheers! Stephan |
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Realised I also need to paint the air tanks. So did a quick assembly on that small unit. Good thing too, because doing so pointed out an error I made in the previous post.
Here a pic of the unit; Screws are M2x4 and M2x8 and M2 nuts. One extra of each fastener. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psl6cww2hu.jpg The little stainless spacer is to make up for the stainless holder to which the fender support is attached. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psntqr5kqu.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psfkcrjwyf.jpg And here the error I made before. I bolted the fender support to the wrong side of the stainless holder! Aluminum piece supposed to go in front, not behind! http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psumymdd4f.jpg Corrected ... And now easy to see why the little spacer is needed. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1pskrk4d.jpg And this is how the air tanks will attach later on. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjioekea2.jpg Side note - on the front support for the cab are 2 pieces. The left side on has an attachment for the steering linkage, the right side one doesn't. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjhlrrpbu.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psfu4wsliz.jpg That's it for now. Cheers - Stephan |
Re: Scaleart - assembling an Arocs 8x8 roll on roll off kipper
thanks for taking the time to put up this build thread....really interesting to see, I now understand why Tamiya is just $ but ScaleArt is $$$$$ :jaw:
wierd that you have to cut off all the bolts to get them down to the right length... |
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Hi Ricm, glad you like it. Once I got the frame painted we will get to the more interesting bits that might be a tad challenging for me.
Indeed you get value for the money (at least I feel so) and the customer service at ScaleArt is top too. The screws that need shortening ... someone on the German forum brought up the following: ScaleArt has 5 different truck lines, in different lengths and number of axles. Then the MAN alone has 5 different cabs too .. so somewhere this becomes a logistic problem keeping in mind that each truck is about three- to five thousand parts (fasteners included). So they try to streamline as much as possible and you see the same bits show up in the different trucks. Now if they would have to supply the right size bolts with each frame ... would just add a tremendously amount of work to their supply chain. Also having the 1.6M bolts this length makes is easier to get them into the holes in the frame, and breaking them off is easy enough. Having to sort out the different sizes of nuts and bolts in the more complicated assembly units is already head ache inducing. The further along I get with this kit, the more respect I have for the guys at ScaleArt who put it all together. On top of that, seeing what some of the members here build from scratch ... |
Re: Scaleart - assembling an Arocs 8x8 roll on roll off kipper
This morning, clear sky, sun ... so decided to give the painting a shot.
Hung the bits up on a nylon string in the sun to warm up the metal. Paint I used is a local brand of high temperature paint. Only one I could find that was not gloss. Bit hard to see all the small bits with the plants in the background. (The fencing looks the way it does because it is meant to keep our cats in) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pslsbv1fru.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pst1ayitpf.jpg Could have done better, but all in all very pleased with the result. Being black it will be easy to touch up later. I also remembered to do the hydraulic cylinders at the last moment. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pskjieh8aw.jpg Glad that this part is out of the way. Cheers! Stephan |
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Today I bolted on the Rockinger Trailer Coupling. Easy I thought ... only took about 2 hours. (got a bit carried away with pictures here too)
Because there was only €26 (without tax) difference between the manual and the remote controlled one, I decided to go for the radio controlled one. What is in the red square is the manual version, the rest is with the radio controlled one. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjzjvgbo4.jpg This coupling is truly a masterpiece. Here some pictures Left side http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psg1jrhoen.jpg Right side - closed http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8idj1uxw.jpg Right side - open (closes automatically when the tongue of the trailer hits the back part - manually with the little lever at the bottom) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspgvdts4d.jpg Here a link to a short movie I found on YouTube that shows this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyJbYVeywP0 Bottom - the spring allows movement to the left and right (no movement when coupling is open) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pssydlaaay.jpg Top http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps78gl6lkg.jpg Front http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8rzazgh8.jpg Back http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psao4cqfnp.jpg So unpacked the lot and all I really needed was the 2 black bits with the arrow pointing to it, the cable and the servo. The rest are for every possible truck ScaleART produces. So lots of spare screws, washers etc. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pscwiz3ktn.jpg To get the little black lever on, one needs to remove the big stainless one. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psysyc26cg.jpg This was not as easy as it sounds, but a bit of scrap rubber to protect the polished metal and pliers took care of it. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psalwkfylp.jpg The black lever pressed in place (used a box driver) on the square protrusion. Looks like a grub screw is needed to hold the cable in place. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psyxfnzk4w.jpg Found in the bag with fasteners. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmn7aetxh.jpg Next the servo support goes in the back cross member of the frame http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pszpmewxih.jpg The holes in the trailer coupling have thread in them. Elected not to drill it out. So first screw in the 4 screws. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmzvruiez.jpg Then loosen each screw in turn and offer up the M2 nut with tweezers (no other way to get to that area) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psnsnwjcnj.jpg Then screw the screw back in whilst holding the nut with the tweezers, and tighten nut with 3mm spanner. Loctite applied. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psoa1yvpih.jpg Next up, prepping the servo and servo horn. Temporary attach the cable. I cut the rubber supports in half and filed off a couple of mm of the copper bushings that go in the rubber. I felt that otherwise the servo might sit too high. Can always change this again at a later date. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pslv0yv4g7.jpg Servo bolted in place and cable trimmed to right size. A blob a glue added to where I cut the cable to prevent fraying. The servo horn is just loosely attached for the moment. I still need to centre the servo. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps61ka4pws.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pskwbtzd0c.jpg Cheers! Stephan |
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Next up is the installation of the hydraulic lift arm.
Here an overview of most of the parts needed for this set - just finding all the bits and pieces was a job in itself :) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9vyhnetl.jpg First we prep the hydraulic cylinder http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psipb7at72.jpg The nipples are screwed on, and although the manual does not ask for it, I added some thread sealant. Better safe than sorry. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psxc9tzipl.jpg Then temporary mount the cylinder to the hydraulic valve box. Temporary so we can determine the length of the hydraulic hose we need. Would be a real "joy" to have to install this after everything is bolted up. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pslh20fd7p.jpg Installed. I put the longer pin in the picture because the short one is the wrong one. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psnx2gs6f6.jpg Mounted the valve body in the box to check length hose. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psai5ui9sf.jpg The hoses for this cylinder will attach to the area pointed out with the arrows. The 2 circled holes are the in and return line for the oil. There's been a small error in packing and the 4 mm nipples were omitted. ScaleART already informed me they will ship them ASAP .. still will probably take 4 weeks to get here. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pslygga6zp.jpg Hose length determined and cut to size, attached it to the nipple. First slide on the hose and then press the sleeve home. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psjuj4xtcc.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pspx19hm1q.jpg Next is the connecting rod. (it mounts the other way around from how shown) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psb9iyblcf.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psvn2ryweg.jpg Then the actual kicker, that will have to slide over the rod when we install it in its proper position. (The kicker has to be horizontal when cylinder is completely out.) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psydkrvoes.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psd3txwfyl.jpg Then slide the assembly into the frame through the holes provided in the sub frame. (had to ream out the holes a bit due to the paint that got in) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4j6vvmt8.jpg The valve box needs to be attached with 4 M2x5 screws to the box holders on the frame ... one of them is a absolute pain due to no room at all. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9qixfvbi.jpg Here all installed (including above nut and screw) seen from the left. I also installed the 2 rubber bumpers. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psabs2j48d.jpg Here from the left. Rod that holds the kicker is secured with an M3. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psrxvetzv7.jpg Last part was bolting the diamond plate cover to the valve box cover. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pswir37u1y.jpg That's it for now. Cheers! Stephan |
Re: Scaleart - assembling an Arocs 8x8 roll on roll off kipper
The rear lights are on the program next. (the orange of the indicators has to be painted in - used Tamiya X-26 for that)
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psthcvgrqd.jpg I ordered the kit with the KingBus system, so I only have two cable on each light. The cable is supposed to go in the inside of the frame, however a slight problem: This little plug http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psird8ybiu.jpg Does not fit in the round hole, more so because the lower rear crossbeam sits further back and blocks part of it. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psgzsm5n7l.jpg The plug does reminds me of the ones I had on my motorbike. And those would come apart with some fiddling. Took me a bit, but if you get a needle you can lift up the little plastic tabs and pull out the cables ... not a fun job the first time around, but easier if you lift the tab from the top between the 2 tabs. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmkdnujou.jpg Bare cables. They only go one way back into the plug. The little edge pointed out by the arrow is what holds them in place. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pst8oyumat.jpg This sorted, next we have to cut a small channel in the plastic body of the light fixture. This to accommodate the cable. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshfokuxlj.jpg Need to carefully smoothen the edges of the LED board so it fits into the housing. (I used 800 grit paper for this) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psqwikgr9x.jpg Now fits nice and flush in the housing http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psabuhz5gz.jpg Added some heat shrink over the wires and cut an insulator from an old inner tube. (there was supposed to be one with the LED board but didn't see it) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psrlsiwfxg.jpg Fed the wire through the hole into the frame - had to take the servo out to make it easier - and in hindsight made my life difficult due to being so focussed on getting the wire in the frame ... http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psh551ib89.jpg Tried to fasten the M2x5 screw indicated in the manual, but it didn't fit. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psbtnkteze.jpg The holes provided are for M1.6 screws, so changed to those. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshk8n9kx5.jpg Light fixture installed http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psrcawqjww.jpg Plug back in place http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psdhnhe1ko.jpg Servo back in place and lenses glued in place with 2 component transparent glue. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psqfeisqap.jpg Cables tucked in the frame for now http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psvcpq8qug.jpg And here a pic without the clamp http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1yqzhxnj.jpg If I had to do this again, i would first fix the light to the support, then add the heat shrink and feed it in the frame. Oh well ... |
Re: Scaleart - assembling an Arocs 8x8 roll on roll off kipper
Some more parts that need be bolted to the frame before starting on the drivetrain.
First, the housing for the servo diff lock front axles. The manual indicated 5 M2x5 but only need 3. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pss4tnhwpf.jpg This is another one of this little gems that make you realise how much thought and care goes into these models. Even for a part that you don't really see once the truck is build. (Yup I can get carried away by things like this) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pshrxkk8o4.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psiz0vjdpo.jpg http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6o1s4sge.jpg Goes here, right behind the cab. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psmuyjhmwo.jpg Neat fit. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2ibow0lo.jpg Looks like I better bolt that bit from the cabin fender on before I install the servo. :) http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2ibow0lo.jpg Upside down view from the back. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pszlwvbwzn.jpg Next are the supports for the oil pump and tank. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psofn2pz39.jpg Goes here, which is kind of a problem because on the left, there are bolts from the middle cross beam ... I should have paid more attention to that section. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psrv9xaz1f.jpg They came out easer than I thought. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psruozreng.jpg And tank supports installed ... the left bottom screw took me more than 20 minutes to get into the hole. Almost no access with the valve box and kicker mechanism in place ... There is a reason you're supposed to install it way earlier in the game. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pswyeibfxd.jpg I put the tank in place. You can see that the supports are not really symmetrical. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psxusqhetz.jpg Reason why the supports are not evenly spaced is the outlet from the pump. That bolt will be replaced by a nipple with a 4mm oil line attached, so you need some room. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psh6bj9rb9.jpg Looking from the back it seems I could get away with moving that support one hole closer to the front. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pswoctxt1j.jpg Cheers, Stephan |
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oops ... messed up one of the pics. Should be like this ...
Looks like I better bolt that bit from the cabin fender on before I install the servo. http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...pssyiry79m.jpg |
Re: Scaleart - assembling an Arocs 8x8 roll on roll off kipper
This is just an amazing model. I really enjoy my Capo kits for their amount of detail and realism, but this... Crazy scale. I wish Scale art would make something in a true 1:10 scale cause I would be sold instantly.
Couple questions, if you don't mind me asking, how much did this kit set you back? And what scale is it? Seems fairly small, 1:16? |
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Hi Prop,
The scale of this truck is 14.5, as for how much I paid, € 6143.29 for the truck and € 470 shipping via UPS (that includes the €25 for the prep of the custom forms). That does not include the Rockinger stuff, I got that in a separate order. I think that one comes to €225.00 or so. Because I am from Europe I still have an account there, so no need for me to convert. With the Euro dropping in value it is a good time to buy if you hold other currency. If you register with ScaleART, you get all the prices without taxes. I'm lucky to live in a "free port" meaning no import duties etc. No idea what the duty would be on this for you. Talking about Capo, I have their 8x8 truck too. Was a nice kit to put together. But this new 4x4 you are bolting together sure looks like it is a step up for Capo. Also very realistic. Can't wait to see some pictures of the engine that hides the electrical motor. Since I have an excavator in 14.5 scale, it kind of makes sense for me to have this truck in that scale too. And as you pointed out, the detail in this truck is unbelievable. Really a joy to assemble. Stephan |
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I bought their oscillating fifth wheel, and in another order some detail kits for a Tamiya Tank... Cheers, Ap |
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