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Old 04-16-2021, 11:20 PM
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Default 1:10 M1 Abrams scratch build, not great, but fun

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Bit of background: I've been building things of many sizes for years, ranging from scale models to RC vehicles to a 1.5ton ride-on backhoe with working hydraulics. I hate hydraulic fluid.

Always had a thing for Cold War-era stuff more than, say, WWII, and got an idea in my head to build an Abrams. I also hate tracks. Had to weld soooo many grousers for that backhoe, and somehow I forgot how tedious it was. And how complicated tracked vehicles are. Yet I thought,

As it turns out, harder than I thought. This one didn't turn out as well as some of my others. The biggest problem is that I over-engineered it more than my usual over-engineering (over-over-engineered?) and it's absolutely bloody unwieldy. Stupid thing weighs over fifty pounds, so it's dang near impossible for me to move. There is a M1070/M1000 HETS for it, with its own set of issues, but we'll get there in due course.

As with all my projects, I started drawing the thing up first. In this case I had to take a LOT of liberties with the shape to get the suspension and motors to fit.

The hull is plywood, with 1/2" square dowel as reinforcement inside the corners.

The tank treads are ANSI roller chain, basically really, REALLY big bicycle chain. This is actually double-width chain, so that the motor sprocket can go on one set of rollers, and then the 3D printed track pads snap into the other set of rollers. This is #60-2 size, which in retrospect is too big. Each side of the chain is something like ten pounds, so the tracks alone are almost half the weight of this thing.

The motors are right-angled gear motors as used in garage door openers. I opted for 24V versions to use a 6S LiPO, as I knew this thing was gonna be heavy. The ones I got are spec'ed at 250rpm unloaded; in retrospect I should have gotten like 150 or even 100rpm units. At full bore, as well see later on, this thing is scary.

The suspension took a lot of doing, and I'm actually quite proud of this part of the thing. The spring rods are music wire from the LHS, which are in fact spring steel. These are welded into an M8 bolt which has been center-drilled on the lathe:

and then a similarly center-drilled chunk of M8 threaded rod goes on the far end. This allows the threaded end to poke through a lever for the road wheels, and the bolt's hex slots into that lever to hold it in place.

On the far end, the threaded rod has two nuts right up against each, loc-tited into place, which hold it in place. These spring assemblies ride on skateboard bearings, which allows them twist ever so slightly.

This is the right side suspension. As with the 1:1, there are two sets of interleaved springs. The ones to the left in this picture, forward on the vehicle, go to the left side road wheels. The ones to the right in the pic / rear of the vehicle go to the right side road wheels. To the upper right of the pic is the rear right idler wheel, which is another M8 bolt, all riding on the same bearings. There's several dozen of those bearings in this thing; good thing they're cheap.

All of those have one of a few types of pillow block to hold the bearing; there's such a block on each side of the wood, sandwiching it for strength. Similarly, the motors mount to the larger round blocks, one inside the hull and one out.

The frontmost set of road wheels act as tensioners. Their springs are not interleaved; tension is set by moving the road wheel arm into place and then tightening the nut at the end in the center (under the barrel in the pic above.)

Note that, as in the 1:1, the spacing between the road wheels is not the same from one row to the next (which in turn changes the angle of the arm they're attached to.) This complexity is compounded because the road wheel spacing is not symmetrical from side-to-side -- the springs being interleaved means they're offset.

In short, headaches abound.

However, after much tearing out of my very limited supply of hair, it starts to look like a tank:

The roadwheels are printed on the two-headed printer, so the black parts (lugs and outer rim) are "molded" as one in with the khaki. Same for the outer faux sprocket in the back. (The drive sprockets are very real steel, but very boring, and nestled inside.) For this pic only about half the the track pads were printed, thus the every-other-one look.

More track pads, and the electronics. As with my other builds, I use the FlySky FSi6 TX. It has a mixing option for the right stick which makes it perfect for tracked vehicles. The RX goes straight to an Arduino, which has a dual-channel high-current motor controller. The lipo's up front, only place it would fit, with an emergency off switch ("on off") and then wired underneath the turret to the back.

The turret rides on that black turntable in the center, and is driven by a smaller gearmotor with the blue gear. You can just see a small red circuit board with a heatsink at the top of the pic, by the right side rear idler wheel. That's a smaller two-channel motor controller, which controls turret rotation and barrel elevation. The TX has been modified with an auto-centering stick on the left side, so the left stick controls rotation (left-right) and elevation (up-down.)

The turret is my usual mixture of print and fab. Barrel is epoxy tubing from the local plastic place (light, stiff), with printed fume extractor and tip. The black and blue panels are printed as they are STUPID shapes. The Abrams turret is asymmetrical, which was a challenge to engineer.

However, Rustoleum (or in this case, Krylon) hides many sins. It's almost a shame to put the side skirts on, but they do help keep gravel from getting into the tracks. Not that the chain cares, that stuff is indestructible, but especially at speed the tank does like to shed track pads.

Detail is about half fabbed, styrene sheet and bar, and half printed.

Here we have the turret rotation and barrel elevation


The turret will actually rotate over 360*; the wiring inside gets wound up at about two turns. Don't ask me how I know. Even with a very slow gear motor, the barrel kept wanting to fall down as all the weight is on the one side. Ended up counter-weighting it with tungsten as used for pinewood derby cars and got it passably balanced.

Full blast down the driveway


And veeeery carefully rolling over some 2x4's. Pay no attention to the gun shield popping off the 50cal as it lands. CA fixes that.


So, yeah, not perfect, not cosmetically accurate, and absolutely bloody unwieldy to manage. But, I can say yes, I built that, and it mostly works, sort of. If doing it again, besides making it lighter, I'd actually use slower motors. These are too fast at full throttle and make it hard to control even at slower speed.

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Old 04-17-2021, 12:01 AM
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Wow, you’re cranking out models! Nice to see all the designing and craftmanship.
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Old 04-17-2021, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: 1:10 M1 Abrams scratch build, not great, but fun

Originally Posted by egronvold View Post
Wow, you’re cranking out models! Nice to see all the designing and craftmanship.
Heh, thanks. Actually more like cranking out the writeups, as this is the last few years' worth of builds. I had a coupla threads on another forum which has since went gone defunct, so I figured I'd try committing them to posterity here. Found some more pix:

Starting the hull, with the bazillion holes for the pillow blocks. As above, annoying that the sides aren't symmetrical so each had to be measure and marked separately.

608ZZ skateboard bearings. Sooo many bearings. Also the chain sprockets. Of course the ones for #60 chain have like a 1" or 1.5" bore, but the motors have a 10mm shaft.

Printed up adapters to fit, with a key for the slot in the sprocket and a slot for the key on the motor. Also has holes for the sprocket's set screws, though had to get longer ones so they engage both the sprocket and the inner motor shaft. Took lots of infill to make them strong, but so far they've held.

After chunking out the roadwheels on the printer, put them on the mini lathe to clean off the supports and such. In retrospect I prolly could have just mounted them and let the chain do the work.

I might have gone a bit overboard on the bearings, but I feared the 3mm plywood would warp under load. I figured sandwiching each side was cheap insurance.

Finally, if you have an Abrams, obviously you need an M1070/M1000 HETS to carry it around. Right? (shakes head)

That's as the tank sits now. There's some more greebling, broken tread pads and whatnot, and antennas (thinner piano wire, with printed bases and centers, plus the RCIED antenna, same as on the trucks). There's also a little 2.4GHz drone camera on the front of the turret, by the mantlet.

Video goes to a monitor mounted on the TX, little flip-up sunshades on top and sides.

I did a separate thread for the HETS. The truck itself came out fairly well, but the trailer suffered from the same issue as the tank, namely oversize, overweight, unwieldy. Kinda like the guy who built them =))

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