Great Dane excavating co.

[DADSGARAGE]

Originally Posted by Cooper

Hey dads, thanks!! 1) nice to see the one video of you loading, one 5gallon bucket, and another scoop!!! Really puts perspective on how much material is in the dump body!! 2) water jet!?!!! You are so lucky!!! I need to go over to next town, a guy that has a food automation processing line company specializes in water cutting,, I really should go see him as he is a big fan of scale planes. Right next to his facility he has a manicured 100+yard runway. Figure similar RC interests I might get some cheep cutting done. 3) I have the two drive motors of 256:1 gear reduction. Don't know what motor is on the end, but noisy little buggers at 12v!!! Might not need any sound system!! I'm thinking that having two for drive will be enough torque and power. And yes I'm trying to take all weight off motor shafts and put on axles. With not wanting to spent $100-200 on a single slim profile bearing (needing 4) I am trying to incorporate 2" bearings for wheel hub carrier. I'm planing on having the two motors in axle, hopefully use some radio programming for a differential effect when wheel turned to left/right max. And some good info on your build, I would never have thought about proper geometry on Ackerman effect if you would have not posted about it!! Tires? I really wanted to use the same ones you got and not have to go through the whole process of making them. If I remember correct they were just a little too off on dimensions for my project. Spent a lot of time trying to find tires, just couldn't find close enough size. Might be able to work something up for you in future!! Still need to see how they preform in actual use.

I hear ya about how noisy the motor/gear box is , I thinks it is because of all the gear reduction in the box 256:1 might have something to do with it...lol...one other thing to be carefull with is the grease you put in the gear box, when I bought mine it was not greased, I think they might be sending them out with grease in them now, people where putting the wrong grease in and cooking the first stage of gears, even with the proper grease the gear box does get hot after running for a while but your way of mounting them in the ALM. HSS should act like a big heat sink which will be a big plus in keeping the gear boxes cooler.

Finding the right size tires of the shelf for this size of truck is just not possible the tires I used are near the proper size but are just a bit small and too narrow but much like you I try build function first and "scale looks" sometimes takes a back seat to the design, always have to compromise a bit between function of available parts and the overall scale looks, so you will be happier with the end results and look of the truck with all the work you have put into making the tires, the pay off will be worth all the effort, and besides the rest of use are all learning with you. (our cost of learning from you and others is just a lot less...LOL)

So have you figured out how you are going to steer it?? Hydraulics would be better then what I built.... would make a much cleaner build...and you seem to be good with hydraulics. I thought of using one or two linear actuators but nothing out there is strong enough, my experience with the L16 that have the 150:1 reduction has not been good at all, the tiny gears in the drive just dont last long but the 63:1 L16 have worked very well and for a long time but I dont think they would be strong enough to steer a big truck when it is loaded. I'm sure you will figure out a new better way to steer this monster!!

KP

[Cooper]

The gearboxes were greased, that was the first things I did. Took them apart as they are said to be shipped without. If I remember correct a good high speed bearing grease, lithium I think. Don't anyone hold me to that, read what they recommend first!! When I was playing with them is when I noticed them heat up a little bit. That got me thinking about the motor and gearbox in the axle. I have several small esc fans, it was just a thought but I did consider incorporating some bit of fan driven cooling for these. They are the main components to the whole drivetrain, well they are the drivetrain!! Lol!! I was thinking of making a box that would be the primary drive (something like that on the 1:1 machines) the big thing attached to front of rear axle, would be easy to put fan in there.

And I've gots lots of learning curves!! The one rim with all the holes in, too many for the correct pattern I wanted--- well they will become front rims.

And yes, the more I think about it I am leaning towards making two cylinders for steering. With the multi stage double acting lift cylinders I'm going to shoot for I will need pump and valve body so might as well use hydro for steering too. This rear axle is the only thing I wasn't sure about (if I could fit them and use a bearing support) but I think my plan is going to work. Don't know how soon I'll have some pics, some more pieces of stock in mail and work week looks busy. Guess it's gonna be time to pick fight with wife and get sent to garage!!!

[Cooper]

Well I think this "plan" is going to work. I will have 1/8" clearance between axle and wheel hub body. I wanted a little more but it will work. Probably close to scale anyways. . I still have to drill out correct size on hub assembly and shorten shaft part. That part that started square and ended up round for the motors to slide in was about 2 1/2 hours. Set up and slow on the turning as I didn't want it to fly out of lathe. I'm going to drill new bolt holes in end carrier housing of gear head. Center has more meat in it. And the way I figure that part should be the weakest link but still a lot of aluminum for strength. Probably way more than needed but hey I got to get the weight up for that bet!!! Oh and all your guesses are locked in but I still keep the ability to change mine,,,, haha,

[Bo Wallen]

Go Cooper go ! Can't wait to get run over by this beast Love it Sir.
"Oh and all your guesses are locked in but I still keep the ability to change mine,,,, haha," That's OK too.

[DADSGARAGE]

Looking good....really want to see this all together because I'm not completely sure how this all works yet...lol...have to wait for the next set of pics

[bigford]

be happy we got rw to post pic in correct order now!!

[speedy8305]

Hey Cooper I think we are all just guessing the weight but we all really want to see this thing come to life and dont care if it weights 1 or 100 lbs lol **** it looks good either way keep up the good work.

[Cooper]

Ok so after doing the math, ( redneck math-spend a week making parts, assemble to find out it needs changed) I realize the tolerances are just too close to do exactly what I wanted to with having two gear head motors in axle. They are a bit long but that wasn't the big thing for me.

This is how much room will be between wheel hub and axle. It is enough but if some debris gets in there it would jam and be a major effort in removing. Thought about seal but then the bearing would be better. But that is a specific thin section bearing and $100-200 bucks. Just not happening unless it was the perfect piece. But then the issue of weight being placed completely on outside rim where drive axle bolts to wheel hub. Another issue with this plan.

This is what the components would assemble. Not showing the two piece rims that bolt to the dyed wheel hub and I had a thin walled tube to go over motor and reinforcing motor gearbox to axle. I'm pointing at load area. And all that bolted at outside wheel hub.

But only time lossed and the square section (the part that took the most set up and machining time!! Lol!! So maybe some others might get some inspiration from this failed attempt!! But the back up parts were purchased before these were!! Lol, I guess I kind of knew this might not work out

[DADSGARAGE]

Is there any chance of getting some needle bearing to work instead of the ball bearings?? If there is something that size you could almost run it on a sleeve that fits over the dia you cut on the square tubing...something with about .100" thick wall then the needle bearings running on it the needle bearings would be press fit in the ID of the rim, hope that make sense....this all depends if there is such a needle bearing in the needed size range...just a though....

[Cooper]

Secondary parts becoming primary parts!! Oh, and another issue with the two drive motors, I wanted to have some sort of differential and was going to be burning the midnight oil with respect to radio programming, was going to mix stearing into motors. That isn't easy for me, the electronically challenged I am.
Now I'm going to be down to one motor. From dads garage build of his bigger scale, one motor is proven to power it. Thanks for that, I've looked through your build and some good stuff. Jealous of sever things! Mostly your access to a water jet!!!!! The axle will now have a traditional differential. It was ebayed from a 1/5 scale gas yard ripper (rc 1/5 scale truck ) reg has tried to get me to build the housing but bolt holes, bearings, and it's is already lined up perfectly.! Only issue now is motor and gearbox is still long! Even for this monster. Have to shorten motor shaft and hide it in the gear reduction housing (?) or whatever it is in front of the rear axle on the 1:1 truck.

[9W Monighan]

HMMM Back to the single motor like I said originally.
I looked for some other thin bearings and if you search "THIN SECTION BEARING" I found some cheaper bearings by other manufacturers rather than the original name I told you about.

[RCP57]

That diff looks good! Very beefy.lol Do you have a link for where you got that?OH no, what am I asking for. I promised myself I wouldn't.lol

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear it isn't going as planned just yet. I know you will get it dialed in shortly!

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by RCP57

That diff looks good! Very beefy.lol Do you have a link for where you got that?OH no, what am I asking for. I promised myself I wouldn't.lol

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear it isn't going as planned just yet. I know you will get it dialed in shortly!

Redcat racing,,, something from one of their trucks. I ebayed 1/5 differential. Bunch stock parts, people pulling stock stuff and replacing then ebaying off.

I did look around for needle bearings. Cheaper too!! I did think about a sleeve for correct sizing.

Yup Steve, you might be correct on a traditional drivetrain .

Hey reg, where is it that you showed building a axle housing? Lot of pages to sort through, and builds,, I might have to go back inside house and aww over some of your past builds again. I like my idea of using the plastic housing I got but, plastic in this things drive? I might not be able to live with that lol!!! Weight isn't carried on that part but it ties in a lot of stuff that does!! Guess I should read over dadsgarage post about shortcuts!!! Don't want to but I guess I better get the calipers and calculator out!! Lol!!!🙀🙏🔩🔫. Don't know if those emojis show up but my wife got some app that changed my phone keyboard!! ( our phones are linked and whatever weird apps she gets I do too!! ,,, time to start another argument and then get punished to garage for the holidays !!!

[RCP57]

Haha. I'm on a strict diet of non RC saving at the moment so I'm trying not to be misled by you building something fun...I can't help myself though, it's a disease... Maybe my current idea will also sway your attention and then you will likely be banished to garage for quite some time... We all get feeding off one another and this just gets scary....

I have built diffs a few different ways. The Tigercat and Euclid involved welding together machined parts for the housings and the 850 KW the main housings were machined from a solid chunk. Euc and KW have removable "pumpkins". The skidder has welded centers and the axle tubes come off. This type would probably work and look more realistic for the type of build you are doing. Not only that you won't have days worth of machining to redo if drilling the axle tubes doesn't go well on the first try.

[asola76]

is very nice work
the rubber you have use to made the final tires is a Vytaflex® 30?

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by asola76

is very nice work
the rubber you have use to made the final tires is a Vytaflex® 30?

I'm not too knowledgable on this stuff but this is what I used

https://www.alumilite.com/PDFs/New%2...lex-Series.pdf

Shore hardness of A40 , guess the hardness scale is the "A" and number is 40 so A40. Said to be similar to wine cork.

[Lil Giants]

Your concern of differential slip with a two motor axle? As long as you're not running at full power, then there's some give, like a limited slip posi, between the two motors... that's what I've found with either a 4 motor front loader or a 6 motor ADT, half throttle & machine turns like open diffs.

[Cooper]

Thanks ken, always appreciate input. How I had originally thought of powering them was independently, two motors, two esc's. I can understand the wireing concept of parallel and that would make sense. I would think that wireing them in series would put more strain on first (in the series) motor. But do understand the concept of "electrical differential". Hummm, I do have six tires of correct size for a future articulated dump truck,,,,,, that would be perfect to implement on.
If I would have made the inner diameter of this trucks tires about 1/2" less I would have had more room for axle/bearings/wheel shafts. But still the compounded length of opposing motors still put it on the limits. If those darn slim bearings weren't so expensive I may have continued on that path. Couple other factors, dadsgarage haul truck has proven to be powered with one motor and that opens up a lot of the design options for axle (again to understand that I'm by far any design engineer) and my limited brain power. Lol, all those late nights when younger!!! Alcohol kills brain cells?!? Right? Me, I figured alcohol killed off all the weak ones for me so I was good to go!! As I got older that ideal changed!! Lol!! Now if I had a decent tig welder (Christmas present?) or if a awesome builder happen to get a box of aluminum parts with instructions where to weld happen to get a package delivered to his big island home,,,,,,,and quit doing circles with a drift truck,,,,,, I may be set!!!! Lol. If you do happen to find that discussion ken, post a link. I'm sure a few more of us would benifit from that.

Haven't had much time lately and the RC funding is dwindling, have to make things a little smarter, ( not have a handful of new spare parts) as my wife and I are going to be moving. Moving about 100 yards,, trying to purchase my fathers house (old farm property) and the bank just doesn't understand when I tell them I outright own a 349 excavator, d11 dozer, several rigs, and about to acquire a large haul truck. Kind of funny to say to the loan officer as reply to "what assets do you have" lol!!! Yeah that went over like a lead balloon!!!

[RCP57]

Sounds like this guy on the island might live close to me. I've heard of him before and I'm sure he would try to help you. If you get into contact with him could you pass along my email to him. I also need a good builder for some projects...

I'm glad to hear things are progressing next door. Your gonna need that property if my new toy flairs up an old fire in you.

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by RCP57

Sounds like this guy on the island might live close to me. I've heard of him before and I'm sure he would try to help you. If you get into contact with him could you pass along my email to him. I also need a good builder for some projects...

I'm glad to hear things are progressing next door. Your gonna need that property if my new toy flairs up an old fire in you.

I can only guess,,,,, does it have two wheels?? Lol,,, gotta make a good first impression on the neighbors,, make a giant RC construction pit in the front yard and a nice sx track in the backyard!! Ohhh, the neighbors would not be happy to be reliving the yesteryears!!!! 40 min non stop, two to three times a day!! But that was two stroke, now the 4strokes, they are a tad bit quieter.

That is if that's the new toy.